Dutch to make working from home a legal right – and the rest of Europe could follow

[vigras rojara]

I don't follow. They're giving people the right to legally WFH especially during a time where
- gentrification is pushing people away from the hubs
- fuel costs are stupid high
- non-EV vehicles are being squeezed out
- EV vehicles are in short supply and expensive
- public transport faces a shortage of stuff so fewer trains are running
- winter is coming, corona is starting to make headlines again

Can only be better for h to e economy if more people WFH. The only potential negative I can think of is the mental health of people.

Sure - I'm not saying that companies shouldn't allow people to work from home. I'm in London and it seems that the hybrid working model is normal now and rightly so.

I just feel that government involvement at such a granular level is a bit strange.

 

[rietrot]

Don't like this,too much nanny state nonsense.

A right should be more general and applicable to everyone, there so many people that still need to do physical work for society to function.

 

[rietrot]

I don't follow. They're giving people the right to legally WFH especially during a time where
- gentrification is pushing people away from the hubs
- fuel costs are stupid high
- non-EV vehicles are being squeezed out
- EV vehicles are in short supply and expensive
- public transport faces a shortage of stuff so fewer trains are running
- winter is coming, corona is starting to make headlines again

Can only be better for h to e economy if more people WFH. The only potential negative I can think of is the mental health of people.

You already had that right unless their is some specific bylaw that prevented people from useing a house as an office.

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

Do you think that government should be allowed to interfere so radically in the economy though?

I mean imagine if it happened here - we'd be hearing about communism and stuff.

This is not radical interference in the Dutch economy....this is just a sensible move, mostly based on all the factors mention by @Hamster .

And the most important detail is that this "legal right" would only be applicable to certain jobs anyway.

Al;so the Dutch economy cannot be compared to the SA one. It is stable, very strong and quite impervious to changes like these.

 

[Hamster]

You already had that right unless their is some specific bylaw that prevented people from useing a house as an office.

It's not a legal right to work from home anywhere, it's company policy.

If my boss tells me today that we're no longer allowed to WFH we'll have to go to the office. Lots of companies offer a 3:2 hybrid option and others like ours' official policy is 4:1 (1 day WFH).

As per the article though - everybody is ignoring that but if HQ (different country, btw) enforces 4:1 I either have to comply or find an alternative job.

So if government makes it my legal right to work from home HQ can't do that.

 

[Drifter]

Love WFH! Save , money , time and petrol, no sick people to come into work.....

edit: haven't been sick for 2 years now. Not even a snot nose..

That is going to become a big issue.

 

[rietrot]

It's not a legal right to work from home anywhere, it's company policy.

If my boss tells me today that we're no longer allowed to WFH we'll have to go to the office. Lots of companies offer a 3:2 hybrid option and others like ours' official policy is 4:1 (1 day WFH).

As per the article though - everybody is ignoring that but if HQ (different country, btw) enforces 4:1 I either have to comply or find an alternative job.

So if government makes it my legal right to work from home HQ can't do that.

Yeah communist nanny state nonsense, interfering in the contractual agreements between adults. As if you or your employers are not grownups and cannot negotiate for yourself and come the the best solution.

 

[2023]

Hmmmm, maybe I should reply to these "come and work in the Netherlands" emails I'm consistently getting...

 

[Hamster]

Yeah communist nanny state nonsense, interfering in the contractual agreements between adults. As if you or your employers are not grownups and cannot negotiate for yourself and come the the best solution.

Jussie jy is stupid.

 

[vigras rojara]

This is not radical interference in the Dutch economy....this is just a sensible move, mostly based on all the factors mention by @Hamster .

And the most important detail is that this "legal right" would only be applicable to certain jobs anyway.

Al;so the Dutch economy cannot be compared to the SA one. It is stable, very strong and quite impervious to changes like these.

I wasn't comparing it to the SA economy, rather the UK which is where I am.

All I'm saying is that these types of things tend to self regulate - there is a huge skills shortage in the UK currently as an example, so companies have to be flexible with working arrangements in order to attract and retain talent. No state intervention required.

 

[Hamster]

I mean, didnt the police shoot at them.
With live ammunition ?
And isnt it a pretty big deal ?

I have an update for you regarding the farmers. They were on their way to block a transport company's depot, but the transport company caught wind if it and sent trucks to block the road for the farmers

 

[Kieppie]

I have an update for you regarding the farmers. They were on their way to block a transport company's depot, but the transport company caught wind if it and sent trucks to block the road for the farmers

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If farmers are protesting instead of working you know you're doing something wrong

 

[Hamster]

If farmers are protesting instead of working you know you're doing something wrong

They're protesting because the government wants the to stop working. The second largest food exporter in the world wants to close farms to meet EU climate goals.

 

[Kieppie]

They're protesting because the government wants the to stop working. The second largest food exporter in the world wants to close farms to meet EU climate goals.

I know, which is silly. Yet at the same time there are concerns regarding food security because of Ukraine.

Food security >> airy fairy climate goals

 

[konfab]

They're protesting because the government wants the to stop working. The second largest food exporter in the world wants to close farms to meet EU climate goals.

And then our progressive friends wonder how communism caused millions of people to starve to death.

Climate ideology is no different from Lysenkoism.

 

[konfab]

I know, which is silly. Yet at the same time there are concerns regarding food security because of Ukraine.

Food security >> airy fairy climate goals

They want the meat industry to get destroyed so that the peasants have to eat bugs.

 

[Kieppie]

They want the meat industry to get destroyed so that the peasants have to eat bugs.

That's still "meat" though. China can provide the imports from their cricket farms.
Better than this though

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[Hamster]

They want the meat industry to get destroyed so that the peasants have to eat bugs.

They want to make us vegetarians

But really most of the products gets exported and the Netherlands pay the "climate penalty" for it, so it sounds like they want to close these farms and have other countries cultivate their own food and deal with their climate issues themselves.

Sounds silly but if I understand it correctly the country as a whole has a quota and they need to cut somewhere so that other sectors can progress. They've been holding back licenses to build new houses for example because of **** like this.

It's gone so far that they've decided to reclassify gas and nuclear as green.

Welcome to the first world

 

[rietrot]

They want the meat industry to get destroyed so that the peasants have to eat bugs.

There's actually merit to the bugs, but green politicians/activists pushing too hard is probably more of a hindrance to more widespread adoption.