E-toll and criminal records - JPSA explains

This is going to be a *****storm of epic note (and even bigger when they start prosecute people).

FU Sanral... FU ANC.

Edit: I do hope they try one of the JPSA/OUTA people first. Someone with deep pockets and funding to fight them till the end. But they probably try some average joe first...
 
TelkomUseless said:
This is going to be a *****storm of epic note (and even bigger when they start prosecute people).

FU Sanral... FU ANC.

Edit: I do hope they try one of the JPSA/OUTA people first. Someone with deep pockets and funding to fight them till the end. But they probably try some average joe first...
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Even if they do try an average Joe first, didn't JPSA/OUTA offer to fund the first case?
 
The main thing for now is to keep focus off the sideshows and on the ANC itself as the perpetrator of this travesty - all at taxpayer expense and trampling on individual rights. Keep focus at least until after May 7.
 
Fudzy said:
No mention of arrest, jail or imprisonment...
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It was said in previous articles. It's in the fscking regulations.

What on earth are you continuing to argue about in every thread on the subject ffs?
 
DJ... said:
It was said in previous articles. It's in the fscking regulations.

What on earth are you continuing to argue about in every thread on the subject ffs?
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I just want to know where the JPSA stand, yesterday they were saying SANRAL were going to lock you up, today they're saying they'll send you a summons.
 
Fudzy said:
I just want to know where the JPSA stand, yesterday they were saying SANRAL were going to lock you up, today they're saying they'll send you a summons.
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You're being incredibly obtuse on this. JPSA is explaining the process required for them to follow, in order to potentially lock you up.

They did not simply state that they'll send you a summons...
 
Fudzy said:
I just want to know where the JPSA stand, yesterday they were saying SANRAL were going to lock you up, today they're saying they'll send you a summons.
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JPSA has a few good articles. In effect, even though it is written into law, SANRAL need to follow the Criminal Procedure Act. If not done correctly, the case can be thrown out just as easy.
 
DJ... said:
You're being incredibly obtuse on this. JPSA is explaining the process required for them to follow, in order to potentially lock you up.

They did not simply state that they'll send you a summons...
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You're being incredibly emotional on this and I think it's clouding your judgement:

From this article:

The JPSA said that the process that will have to be followed by Sanral is as follows:

  • Issue final demands and deliver them by registered mail;
  • If ignored, gather each count into a summons in terms of Section 54 of the Criminal Procedure Act (Act 51 of 1977) for each individual;
  • Get court dates for each of the individual summonses;
  • Have the Sheriff, a traffic officer or a policeman serve summonses on individuals;
  • Have the matter heard in a competent and unbiased criminal Court.
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Where does the 'potential' to be locked up lie? If you ignore the court summons I, no?
 
Fudzy said:
Where does the 'potential' to be locked up lie? If you ignore the court summons I, no?
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That is exactly what a summons is. It summons you to court. If ignored, a warrant of arrest is issued. That is the potential to be locked up.
 
creeper said:
That is exactly what a summons is. It summons you to court. If ignored, a warrant of arrest is issued. That is the potential to be locked up.
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However, if you pay once you get a summons, you're paying an admission of guilt fine. They could then give you a criminal record.
 
I just lightly read over it yet there seems to be glaring contradictions in this.

"...and those who don’t pay admission of guilt fines – thereby automatically incurring a criminal record – will have to be tried in court,,,said the JPSA."

"Only if an individual pays an admission of guilt fine or is found guilty in court will they get a criminal record,,,the JPSA said."

Oh whatever, lately I can't be bothered to put any more stock in "articles" on MyBB than they do, especially with this nameless "Staff Writer" crap. Why not just stick to showing adverts as if they're news without disclosing they're just adverts. Oh and I'm sure MyBB could have linked to itself at least 10 more times in there somewhere...
 
Well this criminal record might just get you a promotion in another company. Definitely will change the way people see criminal records. Barry Roux will be busy :)
 
Fudzy said:
You're being incredibly emotional on this and I think it's clouding your judgement:

From this article:



Where does the 'potential' to be locked up lie? If you ignore the court summons I, no?
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The very last point:

Have the matter heard in a competent and unbiased criminal Court.
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As IzZzy has now pointed out to you, all criminal convictions carry the penalty of prison. Mitigating factors might prevent it, but the risk still exists. Your argument is pointless, Fudzy...
 
DJ... said:
As IzZzy has now pointed out to you, all criminal convictions carry the penalty of prison. Mitigating factors might prevent it, but the risk still exists. Your argument is pointless, Fudzy...
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What do you think my argument is?
 
Browser said:
I just lightly read over it yet there seems to be glaring contradictions in this.

"...and those who don’t pay admission of guilt fines – thereby automatically incurring a criminal record – will have to be tried in court,,,said the JPSA."

"Only if an individual pays an admission of guilt fine or is found guilty in court will they get a criminal record,,,the JPSA said."

Oh whatever, lately I can't be bothered to put any more stock in "articles" on MyBB than they do, especially with this nameless "Staff Writer" crap. Why not just stick to showing adverts as if they're news without disclosing they're just adverts. Oh and I'm sure MyBB could have linked to itself at least 10 more times in there somewhere...
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Don't know what contradiction you see there. :confused:
 
S1ght said:
Even if they do try an average Joe first, didn't JPSA/OUTA offer to fund the first case?
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At this stage it seems pretty much inevitable that the first case will have funding. If not I'm sure DJ will find a way.
 
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