E-voting not found to increase voter participation where rolled out

Daniel Puchert

Journalist
Staff member
Joined
Mar 6, 2024
Messages
2,808
Reaction score
2,656
Reality of electronic voting in South Africa

Electronic voting (e-voting) has not been found to increase voter participation in countries where it has been rolled out, with many countries reverting back to the manual system.

However, South Africa has a strong case for digital voting systems.
 
They can't even roll out card ID for everyone in the rural areas, and they think they will be able to pull this off?
Not to mention the fact that the State Boradband provider cannot even function properly or provide connectivity to existing departments.
 
I want e-voting. Just easier with young kids and whatnot to do it online than to stand in line and vote.

Honestly don't trust SA government to effectively roll out e-voting though. ANC will win with 405% of the vote for sure.
IEC isn't government, AFAIK they hire on a project basis. This shouldn't be rocket science to implement. It should actually improve auditing and reduce ballot fraud...
 
They can't even roll out card ID for everyone in the rural areas, and they think they will be able to pull this off?
Not to mention the fact that the State Boradband provider cannot even function properly or provide connectivity to existing departments.

They can limit it.

Only people with a line faster than 100 mbps can vote.
 
However, he argued that this must not be taken out of context as numerous country-specific factors play a role in implementing e-voting.

Marco says that developed countries have functioning municipalities that make voting and counting much more manageable.
Exactly, last year's vote for me here in Austria, I walked to my local spot about 2 minutes from my place, up the stairs, and was in the voting room. Got the ballot sheet within like 10 seconds, and voted and was heading out within 15 seconds after that. Entire process was <5 min from leaving home and casting a vote and getting back.

Previous place I lived at it was <3 minutes as well. For most here, it's <10 minutes.

1742198596853.png

I would like an online vote, but there's also mail-in ballot, just head to the district municipality and pick up the letter to vote, takes maybe 2 minutes once you're there (takes ~10 minutes to get there) and drop it off in any post box that's at most a minute or two away from where you live.

Results are usually within a day for preliminary from local count as they're lots of small voting stations so is quick, and then they do a full recount that takes another 3 days for the "official" one, but don't think it's ever deviated, usually <10 votes difference.

South Africa on the other hand, if you go vote, it takes like two hours of standing in a queue to drop off the ballot, or at least my last one was, e-voting would make that substantially easier.
 
The ANC will get 150% of the votes.
careful there, the touch screen to click on DA will mysteriously move around,
or the terminal will play a full screen ANC advert before you can vote,

or ask you to enter your details for some associates to visit your house afterwards.

you know the ANC, corruption R us, they cheat with pen and paper, E voting will make it a LOT worse.
 
IEC isn't government, AFAIK they hire on a project basis. This shouldn't be rocket science to implement. It should actually improve auditing and reduce ballot fraud...
It's Chapter 9. It's part of the state.

Public Protector in same category. We going to argue it's immune to political interference too?
 
It's Chapter 9. It's part of the state.

Public Protector in same category. We going to argue it's immune to political interference too?
Nope. But all their existing systems would already be manipulated by that measure. Why would you have faith in what's already in place, but not something new?
 
So that means we shouldn't make people's lives easier...
It would obviously make some people's lives easier and some very difficult, South Africans still like to make an occasion out of everything, wives drag miserable husbands around to do shopping, people still want to go to the bank and cause a scene.

Unless they are able to run dual systems I totally don't see this working now, a dual system will sort of allow a sof launch where people can warm up to the idea, instead of it being forced on them, I mean an IEC screen went blank and people truly believed their votes were stolen.
 
Nope. But all their existing systems would already be manipulated by that measure. Why would you have faith in what's already in place, but not something new?
What makes you assume I have faith in the existing systems?

Seen too many reports of dumped ballots being discovered and empty ballots going missing ahead of elections etc. to function under the idea that the election results are in no way manipulated. The manipulation seems to be limited though.

I think the current system is open to manipulation as it stands. I think darn near any system is open to manipulation. Just less so than other entities directly controlled by national government. Will take what I can practically get.

It's going to be far easier to manipulate a system with no physical paper trail. Especially when that system is designed and built in SA.
 
Electronic voting (e-voting) has not been found to increase voter participation in countries where it has been rolled out, with many countries reverting back to the manual system.

People are starting to wise up and realise the value of their X is fokoli
 
What makes you assume I have faith in the existing systems?

Seen too many reports of dumped ballots being discovered and empty ballots going missing ahead of elections etc. to function under the idea that the election results are in no way manipulated. The manipulation seems to be limited though.

I think the current system is open to manipulation as it stands. I think darn near any system is open to manipulation. Just less so than other entities directly controlled by national government. Will take what I can practically get.

It's going to be far easier to manipulate a system with no physical paper trail. Especially when that system is designed and built in SA.
Paper trail means nothing when it's anonymous. Once your vote is cast, it's recorded and the ballot is disposed of after the results are declared. The trail no longer exists, and even if it did, you can't do anything with it because it's anonymous.

Electronic voting removes the human error in counting, and therefore one avenue of fraud. If you have reservations, ask the 5 banks to put together a team to develop the thing. When was the last time a bank was hacked?
 
Paper trail means nothing when it's anonymous. Once your vote is cast, it's recorded and the ballot is disposed of after the results are declared. The trail no longer exists, and even if it did, you can't do anything with it because it's anonymous.
IDs are checked at the voting station with electronic equipment with a supporting paper document checking off that person being there.

I agree the vote itself is anonymous. The personal identification at the voting station prior to that vote however is not.

Electronic voting removes the human error in counting, and therefore one avenue of fraud. If you have reservations, ask the 5 banks to put together a team to develop the thing. When was the last time a bank was hacked?
If an institution with a proven track record like a bank were going to put together the system I'd have less qualms. We both know that's not going to happen though. Some ANC cadre will get the tender as usual. We'll end up with a WordPress template that cost the taxpayer eleventy gatrillion randelas.
 
Top
Sign up to the MyBroadband newsletter