Earning potential of gym/fitness instructors

robdarussian

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Hi

My son wants to do one of these ETA/Tri-focus type courses... He says he's done his homework and that this is something he is passionate about etc etc. Does anyone here have any experience in that field and can give some advice? He is also wanting to do Pilates as part of the course...

What can he expect to earn for doing a normal fitness/boot camp type class? And for Pilates?

I've checked with VA and they say that their rates start at R150/class and increase with experience. And I know about how they charge their PT's... Is that the norm or are there better places to work for?

How long can he expect to do this for? Is it a viable long-term career option or more of a 3-5 thing?

Thanks
Rob
 

Pitbull

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Hi

My son wants to do one of these ETA/Tri-focus type courses... He says he's done his homework and that this is something he is passionate about etc etc. Does anyone here have any experience in that field and can give some advice? He is also wanting to do Pilates as part of the course...

What can he expect to earn for doing a normal fitness/boot camp type class? And for Pilates?

I've checked with VA and they say that their rates start at R150/class and increase with experience. And I know about how they charge their PT's... Is that the norm or are there better places to work for?

How long can he expect to do this for? Is it a viable long-term career option or more of a 3-5 thing?

Thanks
Rob

Hi Rob,

I think the bold part says it all. I doubt the income really matters. But ofc, he needs to survive right? I know of swimming teachers who work about 48 hours a month and earn R 13k. That is 3 x 4 hours sessions per week. I can't assist you with what you need to know, but personal trainers do get paid okish. He won't become a millionaire but he'll make a good living I'm sure.
 

robdarussian

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Thanks - yip, I'm just worried that it's a phase he's going through... (and that he'll still be eating me out of house and home if he's only working 12 hours a week!!)
 

Pitbull

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Thanks - yip, I'm just worried that it's a phase he's going through... (and that he'll still be eating me out of house and home if he's only working 12 hours a week!!)

Lol, that is true.

I know some personal trainers build up their own client base. So it's like a business within a business. And you don't need to be in your 20's to force people past their breaking point. You see lots of good and fit PT's in their 40's. If your son has the drive to source his own clients and cater for them at various Gyms he can make a very good living. It's all about person skills not so much about the knowledge. But you need to knowledge to get your clients results that will keep them with you.

He can make a good business like that for himself. But it's all about the drive and passion. Do you think he'll make a good salesman? If so then he'll be pretty good as a PT.
 

Batista

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I went on this journey, allow me to share my experiences.

I qualified with distinction from HFPA.co.za.This enabled me to apply for jobs as a personal trainer at a variety of gyms both franchise and private.(I've been programming since I was 10 and wanted a career change)

First attempt
Private gym :

I applied and was quickly given a chance to prove myself in this gym.I was given a few clients but had to work hard to get more,and this is where the problems started.I was told to go stand at robots and hand out flyers etc to score clients and this IS NOT my way of going about this.
I had the best physique of my life when i worked at this gym and my clients showed continious improvement from week to week, but obviously this wasnt bringing in clients so I was asked to leave.
Salary first month : R600 (sold over R3000 worth of personal training though)

Franchise Gyms(VA) :
I was told that I need to submit a marketing plan and they will get back to me if they see me becoming a part of the gym.They also said that in my first 3 months, I would barely make over R1000 / month because the demand for personal trainers has gone down alot, and continues to do so.
I immediately declined because of my first experience and then kissed my R14k HFPA fee and my dream career goodbye.

What im trying to say is , no matter how good of a personal trainer you are, you have to be a people person first.Clients are unable to push themselves and this is when a trainer is supposed to step in and motivate.I basically felt like i was a supervisor in a kindergarten class, trying my hardest to convince people that loosing weight will benefit you over the long run, but people are people.

Basically, your training techniques mean nothing in the real world, you have to be a salesmen first, people person second, and a very forgiving person when you drive all the way to gym and your client forgets their session...
 

cerebus

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There are much better careers in fitness than becoming a PT.
 

Batista

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Kinesiology?

Ok, now you are moving very far away from Personal training.That requires a 3 year degree, same as a biokineticists.You can do a PT qualification within 6 months, and its not really a career in fitness because you work with old people who cant use their muscles anymore and rehabilitation etc.

BUT the people in this field never have to worry about clients because there are always clients.So win, win.
 

cerebus

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Ok, now you are moving very far away from Personal training.That requires a 3 year degree, same as a biokineticists.You can do a PT qualification within 6 months, and its not really a career in fitness because you work with old people who cant use their muscles anymore and rehabilitation etc.

Yes my advice would be, even if he's passionate about fitness, he'll still do much better in a full 3 year degree than by getting a qualification and trying to make it as a PT. It will be fun for a while but then it becomes a grind and he could regret it.
 

Batista

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Yes my advice would be, even if he's passionate about fitness, he'll still do much better in a full 3 year degree than by getting a qualification and trying to make it as a PT. It will be fun for a while but then it becomes a grind and he could regret it.

Exactly, I dont want him to be in the same position as i was in.It was stressful, but studying is expensive, but the rewards will be everlasting.Good Luck OP.I know very little PT who actually want to specialize and then want to study.
 

lived666

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I will PM robdarussian details of a company always on the lookout for good PT's. He will probably earn around R200ph +
 

shadow_man

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I'd suggest that if he wants to go the PT route that he specializes.

e.g. become a PT for boxers or some specific sport. The guys that specialize make decent money. Cost for a session with them is about R350 per hour but I'm not sure what the gym keeps as its reward for letting the trainer use the facilities, but that being said these guys always have customers.
 

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I had a very similar experience in the field to what Batista had. Here were my reasons for doing a PT course:
1) I (thought) I knew that I definitely didn't want a desk/laboratory job.
2) I knew I didn't want to study for 4 years before starting earning.
3) I knew that I was great at sports, fitness and the sciences.
4) Having a passion for sports and fitness, I figured that PT was a great fit for me.
5) The idea of a self influenced earning potential appealed to me. Who doesn't like getting paid much more money for the extra hard work you put in.


In reality though. My experience was similar to Batistas in many ways.

I am not a big buff guy, never have been. I was always the athletic type, 1st team and provincial in multiple sports etc. but not being buff immediately cuts out 50% of your client base. The big okes at gym don't want to take PT advice from someone with smaller arms than them. So you have to decide to spend all of your free time on buffing yourself up massively. If that is not the type of body you want to have, say goodbye to 50% of your potential clients.

Of the clients that you do get, most will flake out on you, never completing their pre-bought sessions. But always scheduling them. So you waste your time and money going to the gym to meet them.
Of the ones that do pitch up, most will drain the will to live from you. 95% of clients do not want you for your knowledge, they want you to be the strict old parent that forces the bad vegetables down their throat at dinner time. You spend your days, convincing the same people, of the same good sense of exercise and healthy living that they heard two days ago. Half the time you have to badger them with the convincing on the phone.

Your job starts to become far less about your knowledge as a fitness professional, and far more about the Kindergarten teacher™. It is spirit draining to say the least.

This is where I am going to tell it like it is and be a little contradictory, but here goes.
Your son, indicating that he wants to do Pilates instruction, will not be a buff dude I imagine. So his only hope is massive amounts of charm and charisma combined with being EXTREMELY good looking. The facts are that if he isn't getting the big buff guys, his client base will be made up of bored housewives and rich varsity girls. These women choose their personal trainers based on eye candy and feel good motivations. They want a PT to have a really ripped body and natural good looks, be very charming and in many cases flirtatious, to make them feel good about all the training they are doing to reachieve/achieve that sexy body.

If your son manages to fit the criteria for breaking into this particular market. It is a very fine line to tread, on being flirtatious and suggestive, without actually going any further.

That is not all the women of course. Many are just hard workers that enjoy your training methods and appreciate your knowledge and company during their training session.

But the facts are that the two largest groups of consistent clients are short sighted big buff guys that wont take advice from someone much smaller than them. And rich women that want to feel good and get trained by someone who makes them feel that way. These are the clients that will keep coming back to you if you give them what they are after.
The rest of the people are non-repeating turnover. They come to you because their doctor/loved one gave them a reality check bitchslap about obesity and heart disease and not seeing their grandkids grow up. They hardly ever keep the drive to come back week after week, regardless of all the effort you pour into keeping them motivated.
 

Batista

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I had a very similar experience in the field to what Batista had. Here were my reasons for doing a PT course:
1) I (thought) I knew that I definitely didn't want a desk/laboratory job.
2) I knew I didn't want to study for 4 years before starting earning.
3) I knew that I was great at sports, fitness and the sciences.
4) Having a passion for sports and fitness, I figured that PT was a great fit for me.
5) The idea of a self influenced earning potential appealed to me. Who doesn't like getting paid much more money for the extra hard work you put in.


In reality though. My experience was similar to Batistas in many ways.

I am not a big buff guy, never have been. I was always the athletic type, 1st team and provincial in multiple sports etc. but not being buff immediately cuts out 50% of your client base. The big okes at gym don't want to take PT advice from someone with smaller arms than them. So you have to decide to spend all of your free time on buffing yourself up massively. If that is not the type of body you want to have, say goodbye to 50% of your potential clients.

Of the clients that you do get, most will flake out on you, never completing their pre-bought sessions. But always scheduling them. So you waste your time and money going to the gym to meet them.
Of the ones that do pitch up, most will drain the will to live from you. 95% of clients do not want you for your knowledge, they want you to be the strict old parent that forces the bad vegetables down their throat at dinner time. You spend your days, convincing the same people, of the same good sense of exercise and healthy living that they heard two days ago. Half the time you have to badger them with the convincing on the phone.

Your job starts to become far less about your knowledge as a fitness professional, and far more about the Kindergarten teacher™. It is spirit draining to say the least.

This is where I am going to tell it like it is and be a little contradictory, but here goes.
Your son, indicating that he wants to do Pilates instruction, will not be a buff dude I imagine. So his only hope is massive amounts of charm and charisma combined with being EXTREMELY good looking. The facts are that if he isn't getting the big buff guys, his client base will be made up of bored housewives and rich varsity girls. These women choose their personal trainers based on eye candy and feel good motivations. They want a PT to have a really ripped body and natural good looks, be very charming and in many cases flirtatious, to make them feel good about all the training they are doing to reachieve/achieve that sexy body.

If your son manages to fit the criteria for breaking into this particular market. It is a very fine line to tread, on being flirtatious and suggestive, without actually going any further.

That is not all the women of course. Many are just hard workers that enjoy your training methods and appreciate your knowledge and company during their training session.

But the facts are that the two largest groups of consistent clients are short sighted big buff guys that wont take advice from someone much smaller than them. And rich women that want to feel good and get trained by someone who makes them feel that way. These are the clients that will keep coming back to you if you give them what they are after.
The rest of the people are non-repeating turnover. They come to you because their doctor/loved one gave them a reality check bitchslap about obesity and heart disease and not seeing their grandkids grow up. They hardly ever keep the drive to come back week after week, regardless of all the effort you pour into keeping them motivated.

Thanks man, glad i wasnt the only one!
 

Ancalagon

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These women choose their personal trainers based on eye candy and feel good motivations. They want a PT to have a really ripped body and natural good looks, be very charming and in many cases flirtatious, to make them feel good about all the training they are doing to reachieve/achieve that sexy body.

If your son manages to fit the criteria for breaking into this particular market. It is a very fine line to tread, on being flirtatious and suggestive, without actually going any further.

How about being a PT and a gigolo at the same time? You can make a bit of extra money on the side!
 

JackWhite

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Do people negotiate the number of reps/sets you gta do? Coz if i had a PT, i see myself negotiating down.
 

robdarussian

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Thanks guys, some nice advice.

I think he's keen on the Pilates angle as that helped him rehab an old lower back injury that he had for a while. (and it also probably helps with the female clientele)

I'll tell him to pack some condoms :)

Anyone currently in the profession?
It seems like everyone replying so far has moved on...(or are they too busy making protein shakes in the kitchen to go onto the interweb?)
 
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