Earth Hour 20h30-21h30 25/03/2017

[Geoff.D]

The problem with that is that fuel is not a infinite resource.

All the more reason not to waste it then!

 

[cupcake]

It's not really a problem. It just takes creative thinking and some effort and determination to tap into newer energy sources, eg nuclear fission and fusion could solve our probs today. Not to speak of new things in the fewcha. Besides, nothing in the universe is infinite. In a few billion years we'll in any case have to move out of the neighbourhood because our local sun will balloon and then collapse. Only the energy-rich will be able to make the move.

I would be 100% for nuclear energy it is incredible if it wasn't for the devastation in the case of a fall out which is not at all unlikely if you look at what has already happened in Japan. I would love to see amazing breakthroughs in this field because we still don't have a solution that ticks all the boxes to provide mass power.

There is plenty of smaller innovative solutions for specific applications that are being developed like turning household waste into fertiliser and gas:
HomeBiogas is a family-sized affordable biogas system. It converts any organic waste into clean cooking gas and a high quality liquid fertilizer for the garden. Your kitchen leftovers can turn into 3 hours of cooking per day.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/homebiogas-create-your-own-energy-environment-green--2#/

 

[Dave]

I would be 100% for nuclear energy it is incredible if it wasn't for the devastation in the case of a fall out which is not at all unlikely if you look at what has already happened in Japan. I would love to see amazing breakthroughs in this field because we still don't have a solution that ticks all the boxes to provide mass power.

There is plenty of smaller innovative solutions for specific applications that are being developed like turning household waste into fertiliser and gas:
HomeBiogas is a family-sized affordable biogas system. It converts any organic waste into clean cooking gas and a high quality liquid fertilizer for the garden. Your kitchen leftovers can turn into 3 hours of cooking per day.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/homebiogas-create-your-own-energy-environment-green--2#/

If a plane built in the 1960s crashed today would you then say that 21st century aircraft are unsafe and should be grounded?

http://www.world-nuclear.org/inform...rity/safety-of-plants/fukushima-accident.aspx

In 1990, the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) ranked the failure of the emergency electricity generators and subsequent failure of the cooling systems of plants in seismically very active regions one of the most likely risks. The Japanese Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency (NISA) cited this report in 2004. According to Jun Tateno, a former NISA scientist, TEPCO did not react to these warnings and did not respond with any measures.[34]

Filmmaker Adam Curtis mentioned the risks of the type of boiling water reactors cooling systems such as those in Fukushima I,[35] and claimed the risks were known since 1971[36] in a series of documentaries in the BBC in 1992 and advised that PWR type reactors should have been used.

TEPCO, that operated the station, had been warned their seawall was insufficient to withstand a powerful tsunami, but the seawall height was not raised in response. While other stations run by the Tohoku Electric Power company had much more robust seawalls (such as the Onagawa Nuclear Power Plant) down the coast closer to the epicenter of the earthquake, the Fukushima Plant did not.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_Daiichi_Nuclear_Power_Plant#Warnings_and_design_critique

Should we blame the nuclear reactor or the 1960s mindset of those operating it?

You should also realise that "nuclear reactors" is like saying "transport", they came in all sorts of sizes, designs and technologies.

 

[cupcake]

If a plane built in the 1960s crashed today would you then say that 21st century aircraft are unsafe and should be grounded?

http://www.world-nuclear.org/inform...rity/safety-of-plants/fukushima-accident.aspx



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_Daiichi_Nuclear_Power_Plant#Warnings_and_design_critique

Should we blame the nuclear reactor or the 1960s mindset of those operating it?

You should also realise that "nuclear reactors" is like saying "transport", they came in all sorts of sizes, designs and technologies.

I would say that I am ill equipped to enter the nuclear debate my view is based on simple common sense based on how cool the technology is but also how scary it is when things go wrong.

Did you look at the link I posted for the home biogas system? Now that is cool! Maybe the solution is a variety of smaller products that address specific needs.

 

[Arthur]

I would say that I am ill equipped to enter the nuclear debate my view is based on simple common sense based on how cool the technology is but also how scary it is when things go wrong.

Did you look at the link I posted for the home biogas system now that is cool! Maybe the solution is a variety of smaller products that address specific needs.

Chernobyl? Fukushima?

Get hold of the doccie "Pandora's Promise" and see what's really going on.

Did you know that the reactors right next door (as in <100m) to Chernobyl continued to operate for years and years afterwards? No ill effects measured on the workers who went in every day, 24/7. You didn't know? Maybe check your news sources and what their agendas are...

 

[cupcake]

Chernobyl? Fukushima?

Get hold of the doccie "Pandora's Promise" and see what's really going on.

I will take a look thanks Arthur.

 

[Arthur]

I will take a look thanks Arthur.

It's made by a lefty Democrat and environmentalist Robert Stone. He saw the light, and has been burnt at the stake for his heresy.

 

[cupcake]

If a plane built in the 1960s crashed today would you then say that 21st century aircraft are unsafe and should be grounded?

http://www.world-nuclear.org/inform...rity/safety-of-plants/fukushima-accident.aspx



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_Daiichi_Nuclear_Power_Plant#Warnings_and_design_critique

Should we blame the nuclear reactor or the 1960s mindset of those operating it?

You should also realise that "nuclear reactors" is like saying "transport", they came in all sorts of sizes, designs and technologies.

About this again! The fact that it was human negligence doesn't make it seem any less scary to me in fact I am more concerned especially with all the dodgy dealings in the energy sector in SA.

 

[Dave]

I would say that I am ill equipped to enter the nuclear debate my view is based on simple common sense based on how cool the technology is but also how scary it is when things go wrong.

Did you look at the link I posted for the home biogas system? Now that is cool! Maybe the solution is a variety of smaller products that address specific needs.

I don't need a home biogas system, my home heating and cooking are already done on gas.

The greatest problem faced by nuclear is the ignorant crowd who when they think of nuclear power they think of Fukushima (1960s) and Chernobyl (1970s) using old designs and old technology. Both incidents were also influenced by poor decision making by the operators.

They are not a fair comparison to modern reactors.

 

[Arthur]

I don't need a home biogas system, my home heating and cooking are already done on gas.

The greatest problem faced by nuclear is the ignorant crowd who when they think of nuclear power they think of Fukushima (1960s) and Chernobyl (1970s) using old designs and old technology. Both incidents were also influenced by poor decision making by the operators.

They are not a fair comparison to modern reactors.

In Pandora's Promise you'll see a Gen IV reactor taken to critical. Watch, and weep at the betrayal.

Did you know that for 60+ years we've had at least three dozen nuclear reactors sailing the seven seas. Not a single mentionable incident.

 

[Dave]

About this again! The fact that it was human negligence doesn't make it seem any less scary to me in fact I am more concerned especially with all the dodgy dealings in the energy sector in SA.

They weren't just human error, even though human error played a significant part, modern reactors are far safer and in an SA context will hopefully have oversight by whoever is contracted to build and operate them.

 

[Dave]

In Pandora's Promise you'll see a Gen IV reactor taken to critical. Watch, and weep at the betrayal.

Did you know that for 60+ years we've had at least three dozen nuclear reactors sailing the seven seas. Not a single mentionable incident.

Agreed, it's just not fashionable amongst the earth hour type groups to be logical about modern nuclear power. They want to be in a black and white world where solar and wind is 100% gods gift perfect and all nuclear is 100% satans curse.

 

[cupcake]

Agreed, it's just not fashionable amongst the earth hour type groups to be logical about modern nuclear power. They want to be in a black and white world where solar and wind is 100% gods gift perfect and all nuclear is 100% satans curse.

It's not realistic to say that everyone that supports Earth Hour is against Nuclear Power. As I said I think the technology is amazing but it is the implementation that concerns me I am not convinced that the deal is going to be focused on the best and safest solution as opposed to a corrupt best deal.

 

[Dave]

It's not realistic to say that everyone that supports Earth Hour is against Nuclear Power.

Where did I say that, Purple?

 

[cupcake]

Where did I say that, Purple?

You said it is "just not fashionable amongst the earth hour type groups to be logical about modern nuclear power" I found that to be a inclusive statement because you refer to the groups, am I wrong? I think that they are cynical about the motivation and the outcomes and want critical questions answered which is fair enough.

 

[Dave]

You said it is "just not fashionable amongst the earth hour type groups to be logical about modern nuclear power" I found that to be a inclusive statement because you refer to the groups, am I wrong? I think that they are cynical about the motivation and the outcomes and want critical questions answered which is fair enough.

"Fashionable amongst" not "fashionable with all"...

 

[cupcake]

"Fashionable amongst" not "fashionable with all"...

among , amongst
1 amid, amidst, in association with, in the middle of, in the midst of, in the thick of, midst, surrounded by, together with, with
2 between, to each of
3 in the class of, in the company of, in the group of, in the number of, out of
4 by all of, by the joint action of, by the whole of, mutually, with one another

 

[Dave]

among , amongst
1 amid, amidst, in association with, in the middle of, in the midst of, in the thick of, midst, surrounded by, together with, with
2 between, to each of
3 in the class of, in the company of, in the group of, in the number of, out of
4 by all of, by the joint action of, by the whole of, mutually, with one another

No, look at this as an example; amongst the people present are a mixture of males and females, therefore saying amongst the people present were females doesn't make all the people present female... yes? no? maybe?

 

[cupcake]

No, look at this as an example; amongst the people present are a mixture of males and females, therefore saying amongst the people present were females doesn't make all the people present female... yes? no? maybe?

I really couldn't be that bothered I'm just messing with you to return the favour.

Enjoy meat free Monday

 

[Dave]

I really couldn't be that bothered I'm just messing with you to return the favour.

Enjoy meat free Monday

It is?

Is seafood ok?