Eastern Province Kings rugby discussion thread

BeVonk!

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Considering the time they had to prepare and the players available to them the Kings did phenomenally well and deserves another season. The large scores against them as predicted by most never happened. Imagine what they can do given enough time and quality players. What is happening to them now is not right.

The Lions had many chances, for sure. But they also do not deserve to be culled. One cannot just throw a team with their history and potential away. Johannesburg and Pretoria are two very different places with different cultures. Each needs its own team with its own identity. Most Lions fans will never become Bulls fans, and Bulls fans will never want a Johannesburg flavour in their setup. The close proximity means nothing.

Whomever caused the Lions' financial woes after being the richest rugby union in the world must be shot. The financial mismanagement that resulted in the demise of the union is not the fault of the fans. The fans deserve better, and I believe the GLRU has the right people now to get things sorted ... bit it will unfortunately take time. The damage done is huge and sitting out of SR made it far worse.

The Lions and Kings actually need one another until 2016. But how to make it work? How do you stretch broadcasting, sponsorship and gate income over so many unions without making things worse (Cats)? SARU can help if they really want to. It will ask of them to put money into a Lions+Kings franchise for two seasons to help all involved not to lose players who will sit out. That is what stops collaboration ... holding onto players. It requires money, and collaboration will mean less for each union and more players sidelined who will look elsewhere for action.
 
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APoc184, I also cannot believe that article to be real, but I am nervous non-the-less. I cannot blame the Kings for seeking justice if they were to go that route but I just hope the race card is not used as that would be unfair and not true (considering the squads that played in the promo/relegation matches). I also hope the focus is then not on the Lions as it is not the Lions' fault that all this is happening.
 

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The Lions will also go to court if they were to be kept out after doing what was asked of them.

Frikkin mess.

I can already see a judge ordering the Kings and Lions to join forces until a new competition starts. It is the only way to go despite all the challenges. The judge must then also order that SARU makes the money work for all involved in such a joint effort and for other unions not to rip the heart out of such an effort by signing players not getting to play every game.
 

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The Lions will also go to court if they were to be kept out after doing what was asked of them.

Frikkin mess.

I can already see a judge ordering the Kings and Lions to join forces until a new competition starts. It is the only way to go despite all the challenges. The judge must then also order that SARU makes the money work for all involved in such a joint effort and for other unions not to rip the heart out of such an effort by signing players not getting to play every game.

I don't see this happening. As much as I dislike the outcome what's done is done. The Southern Kings will just have try and get back in next year, hopefully not by displacing the Lions.
 

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I don't see this happening. As much as I dislike the outcome what's done is done. The Southern Kings will just have try and get back in next year, hopefully not by displacing the Lions.
Yep... they need to man up!
 

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Someone will have to be displaced and that someone will not deserve it no matter who it turns out to be. I genuinely cannot see the Lions end above any of the other franchises so it will most likely be a repeat a year from now. I hope with all in me another solution is found soonest.
 

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With the exodus of at least 7 SK players, the remaining squad members need to set their sights at the Division 1 promotion battle.
How many of those seven are not still under contract with the EP Kings?
 

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From SARugbymag. http://www.sarugbymag.co.za/blog/details/kings-to-accept-fate

Confirmed that the Facebook post is nothing more than sensationalism. *spit

Kings chairman Cheeky Watson says the franchise will not challenge its Super Rugby relegation in the boardroom.

The Lions secured promotion to Super Rugby on points difference after their 23-18 loss to the Kings in Joburg on Saturday, having won the first leg 26-19 in Port Elizabeth.

Lions president Kevin de Klerk told Beeld last Tuesday that he'd have a plan if the relegated Kings decided to fight for their place in the tournament, adding that he would go to the sponsors with a 'loaded gun'.

However, Watson told SARugbymag.co.za that this would not happen.

'We will sit down and prepare for next year's Super Rugby promotion-relegation play-offs,' he said. 'Any speculation that says we're going to the courts or to the [Saru] board is not true.'
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BeVonk!

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APoc184, the life must be sucked from a mind that comes up with such trash. We do not need idiots to pour more fuel on this fire.
 

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APoc184, the life must be sucked from a mind that comes up with such trash. We do not need idiots to pour more fuel on this fire.

Totally agree. As if the situation wasn't sour enough... They come and stir with crap like that!
 

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I don't even want to think how hard this is gong to be hitting my wallet in 2014 :eek:
 

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I don't even want to think how hard this is gong to be hitting my wallet in 2014 :eek:

That is why this is so unfair. Personal income is affected in a big way. A lot of people suffer when things unravel like this. But never the Fat Cats at the top that come up with these schemes. It is okay to mess with the Kings and Lions. I cannot help but doubt that we would have seen these promotion games happen if the Bulls, Stormers or Sharks ended last. SARU would have gone to the ends of the earth not to see these three play in such a series. The power in SA rugby clearly does not reside in Joburg, Bloem or PE.
 

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Sorry if this was suggested before, but why not implement the following? We have 6 teams that want to play and only 5 spots avaliable. Forget about promotion relegation and let the worst performing side in SR be replaced by the team who sat out.
 

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Why have the Lions historically been so kark? It's Gauteng, the economic engine of the SA, surely money is not an issue. RAU and other structures surely allow proper sourcing of talent. Population is massive. Weak/inept/corrupt administration?
 

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I don't even want to think how hard this is gong to be hitting my wallet in 2014 :eek:

Ouch. Eina. And sorry. There is no fairy tale ending in this. While I am happy for the Lions, this is cruel for the Kings.
 
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