Economics professor - Refuse entry to restaurants and cinemas for unvaccinated, not alcohol sales

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When you make the claim that a healthy 30 year old has a 0.2 % chance of dying and then link to a study that puts that 30 year old in an age group of 20-50 year olds of a very limited section of the broader population, I would call that cherry picking. If you actually take the time to go look at the ages in smaller age groups then it become clear that a healthy 30 year old has a far better chance of surviving than 0.2. Then factor in commorbidities then a healthy 30 year old has a even better chance

First that's only if you contract COVID-19. That's a peer reviewed article with calculation. Chinese data from CDC corrobarates it. That's also AMERICAN data. So anyone who gets seriously sick there, gets the best medical care and widest selection of treatment available, that includes ECMO. In SA you are unlikely, even in most private hospitals to receive this. In fact your selection of medical therapy is limited in SA, as you can tell by looking at just the selection of anti-coagulants which are approved in SA. So likely your chances are worse if things go downhill. Never mind the capacity problems we face here and the Yanks don't face nearly as much.
 

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Ok here are the stats using the Way back machine to Jan 21 2021 when the first vaccines started to be used on the first responders. So its basicly pre-vaccine time.

8740 Deaths in the age group of 0 - 44

Source : http://web.archive.org/web/20210131024350/https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm


Jan 21 - 2021 there were 24.71 million cases of Covid in the US

Source : https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/united-states


That would put the fatality rare in the 0 - 44 Age group at 0.035% in the US.
 
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First that's only if you contract COVID-19. That's a peer reviewed article with calculation. Chinese data from CDC corrobarates it. That's also AMERICAN data. So anyone who gets seriously sick there, gets the best medical care and widest selection of treatment available, that includes ECMO. In SA you are unlikely, even in most private hospitals to receive this. In fact your selection of medical therapy is limited in SA, as you can tell by looking at just the selection of anti-coagulants which are approved in SA. So likely your chances are worse if things go downhill. Never mind the capacity problems we face here and the Yanks don't face nearly as much.
Okay so just pure speculation on your part, got it.
 

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Ok here are the stats using the Way back machine to Jan 21 2021 when the first vaccines started to be used on the first responders. So its basicly pre-vaccine time.

5138 Deaths in the age group of 0 - 44

Source : http://web.archive.org/web/20210131024350/https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm


Jan 21 - 2021 there were 25.21 million cases of Covid in the US

Source : https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/united-states


That would put the fatality rare in the 0 - 44 Age group at 0.02% in the US.

So again, not as meticulously followed up. The VACO one was more precise.

In SA you won't get the level of care VA offers, so you'll be still in trouble.
 

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So again, not as meticulously followed up. The VACO one was more precise.

In SA you won't get the level of care VA offers, so you'll be still in trouble.
What is there to follow up? Confirmed deaths/Confirmed cases = fatality rate. If you end up in hospital. what is the hospitalization rate again? Further how many people are asymptomatic and never tested? So the fatality rate is even smaller.
 

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What is there to follow up? Confirmed deaths/Confirmed cases = fatality rate. If you end up in hospital. what is the hospitalization rate again? Further how many people are asymptomatic and never tested? So the fatality rate is even smaller.

We were speaking about being sick. Because other posted compared this to influenza, and not getting flu shots. Yes, cause of death is important and how it was determined. Comorbidity status is also important. General stats from various sources and death certificates may not capture it all. Following up actual vets under VA is more meticulous and accurate.
 
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Read up on the New York’s Excelsior Pass (vaccine pass). Any business can deny service and access to the premises legally if you are not vaccinated.

Good, ROAR and all that...

Freedom of choice means you can choose, not that you are immune, pun not intended, from the consequences of your choice.

As Macron said, if you don't want to get vaccinated then you can stay home now.
 

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Good, ROAR and all that...

Freedom of choice means you can choose, not that you are immune, pun not intended, from the consequences of your choice.

As Macron said, if you don't want to get vaccinated then you can stay home now.
Holy ****, you're still here... Thought you ran away after all you statements were proven false.

Imagine telling that to the 37.7 million people in the world with Aids. Sorry boet you ****ed up, pun intended. Got to get you chemically castrated now to save other peoples lives. If you don't you can stay home.
 
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We were speaking about being sick. Because other posted compared this to influenza, and not getting flu shots. Yes, cause of death is important and how it was determined. Comorbidity status is also important. General stats from various sources and death certificates may not capture it all. Following up actual vets under VA is more meticulous and accurate.
Ago now go ask the VA to release the data and then compute the percentage for an actual 30 year old not 20-50 year old and break it down to commorbidies. And instead of making assumptions that vet's are generally more fit do the actual research because a country that has been in an active war for 20 years will not have the fittest vets, how many retired vs was medically unfit? What percentage suffers from injuries during their deployments or mental issues such as PTSD? I'll gladly take aggregate stat's for the entire population than a subsection.
 

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Good, ROAR and all that...

Freedom of choice means you can choose, not that you are immune, pun not intended, from the consequences of your choice.

As Macron said, if you don't want to get vaccinated then you can stay home now.
Scott can you stop being a dumbass, and look at the real-world data before you post more misinformation.
The vaccine does not stop the spread and has been reported numerous times. Infections are higher now in Israel than pre-vaccine.

You also have a choice. Choose to remain stupid, or actually look at the real world and put 2 and 2 together.

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Ago now go ask the VA to release the data and then compute the percentage for an actual 30 year old not 20-50 year old and break it down to commorbidies. And instead of making assumptions that vet's are generally more fit do the actual research because a country that has been in an active war for 20 years will not have the fittest vets, how many retired vs was medically unfit? What percentage suffers from injuries during their deployments or mental issues such as PTSD?

They correct for paralysis, liver cirrhosis from any cause (think alcohol) and all relevant Covid-19 comorbid conditions. PTSD is itself not such a condition.
 

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Ok here are the stats using the Way back machine to Jan 21 2021 when the first vaccines started to be used on the first responders. So its basicly pre-vaccine time.

5138 Deaths in the age group of 0 - 44

Source : http://web.archive.org/web/20210131024350/https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm


Jan 21 - 2021 there were 25.21 million cases of Covid in the US

Source : https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/united-states


That would put the fatality rare in the 0 - 44 Age group at 0.02% in the US.
I don't understand how you got these numbers.
 

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I don't understand how you got these numbers.
Np I'll highlight it for you quick. with screenshots. I'll add it here with an Edit. give me a sec.

Edit: Thanks for that, seems I added up the wrong column. The new website have the totals at the bottom not the top like the old site. I'll correct it in the other post as well.

The correct number is : 8 740 Deaths in the age group of 0 - 44 due to Covid.

Source : http://web.archive.org/web/20210131024350/https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

The total amount of confirmed cases of covid in the US on Jan 21 2021 was 24.71 million (again number was off because of slider sensitivity on the graph, with the screenshot its locked and is the actual number of that date.)

Source : https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/united-states


It bumps up the fatality rare in that age group to 0.035% Sorry about that.

Edit 2: Wow the old site is so much better, no idea why the changed it. Table 1 breaks the ages down so much better than the new site. Check out the 3rd attached image. (seems the data are out of date with a couple of days between the 1a and 1c. The site gets updated every week with the latest numbers so nothing to worry about.)
 

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1 in 500 for 30 is not a high number. Overall in the UK the risk of dying in a given year for a 35-44 yo male is 1 in 663, 25-34 is 1215. Those are from the UK, from 2005 stats.
 

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Not for that age group
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So actually less. The worst ones are 0.2
 

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They correct for paralysis, liver cirrhosis from any cause (think alcohol) and all relevant Covid-19 comorbid conditions. PTSD is itself not such a condition.
Fear and anxiety related issues ranked 2'nd after obesity as a risk factor for covid mortality.
 

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Fear and anxiety related issues ranked 2'nd after obesity as a risk factor for covid mortality.

VA reported anxiety disorders for veterans 9.9% vs 12.3% for non-vets.

Overall US has a high rate of mental illness, at 1 in 6.

The thing about this is also in general many Americans are not insured or don't have ready access to mental health services. VA folks probably do as they're all covered.
 
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