EFF thrown out of Gordhan budget vote address after tense standoff

[rietrot]

What amazes me the most is that you think it's okay to accuse Gordhan of theft without any shred of evidence and later claim that I am making him out to be some God, you really don't see how similar that is to the EFF way of doing things lately?

There is absolutely nothing neutral about accusing someone of theft without evidence, perhaps neutral in Rietrot's world.

His association with the top ANC cadre and being a top ANC cadre for such a long time is enough for me to think he is guilty by association until proven otherwise.

 

[rietrot]

The mere fact that the EFF hates Gordhan, and that they are doing everything possible to "get rid of him" should be sufficient proof that he is doing "the right thing".

No doubt, absolutely agree with this.

 

[grok]

31% voted "No".

The majority didn't, or do you only believe in majority rule when it's your side winning?

Typical.

 

[ForceFate]

The majority didn't, or do you only believe in majority rule when it's your side winning?

Typical.

True to form, you followed through with your classic absurdity.

No, the percentage I quoted accounts for people what we see frequently on this subforum.

Btw, I belong to no side. I don't want to be like some people here

 

[ambroseg1]

You keep on fixating on what was done for political survival - as opposed to what is being done now.

so "political survival" is the new excuse for not acting against corruption.

 

[ambroseg1]

The mere fact that the EFF hates Gordhan, and that they are doing everything possible to "get rid of him" should be sufficient proof that he is doing "the right thing".

The EFF hated Zuma and his cronies.

 

[ambroseg1]

Yep.

I suppose you also think CR is a good guy

 

[Ponderer]

The EFF hated Zuma and his cronies.

Wrong - it's purely personal.
The reason is that Zuma spurned/scorned Juliass.
As such, Juliass's "undying love and loyalty" for Zuma turned to "undying hatred and spite".

 

[ambroseg1]

Wrong - it's purely personal.
The reason is that Zuma spurned/scorned Juliass.
As such, Juliass's "undying love and loyalty" for Zuma turned to "undying hatred and spite".

Very convenient. Now its purely personal.

 

[Mista_Mobsta]

Loving the fact that parliament needs parliamentary security - seems that SARS lady isn't the only one calling for "protecting me from yourself"
Says a LOT about the trough feeders masquerading as politicians eh...

 

[rietrot]

Loving the fact that parliament needs parliamentary security - seems that SARS lady isn't the only one calling for "protecting me from yourself"
Says a LOT about the trough feeders masquerading as politicians eh...

I enjoyed the EFF taking on Zuma in the start just as much as anyone. But it can only continues to be a circus for so long. It is our tax player money afterall. So I geuss it is justified now as long as people keep acting in bad faith. I'm still think they should carry the guy on the podium out at least once to keep it fair.

 

[surface]

Very convenient. Now its purely personal.

a*s means loving angel as per LieAllitus chapter 8, verse 9.

 

[HBee]

The EFF are just doing what PG does. PG has not delivered on anything, and also tries to improve his stature by attacking the failures of others.

 

[Ponderer]

The EFF are just doing what PG does. PG has not delivered on anything, and also tries to improve his stature by attacking the failures of others.

Mmmm.
To point out and acknowledge failures is quite different from attacking someone that failed.
Not the same thing.

 

[HBee]

Mmmm.
To point out and acknowledge failures is quite different from attacking someone that failed.
Not the same thing.

How did that work with the PP now?

 

[Ponderer]

How did that work with the PP now?

I don't get the point you are trying to make.
The point is that Gordhan is seemingly trying to do "the right thing", and that the PP is clearly (as to seemingly) trying to remove him from office.

 

[Splinter]

so "political survival" is the new excuse for not acting against corruption.

Is he or is he not now the poster child of fighting corruption?

But tell me, excatly what do you think he should have done more to fight corruption more than he did when Zuma was in power?

I suppose you also think CR is a good guy

Better than Zuma, that's for sure.

 

[supersunbird]

To the best of my knowledge, all motions of no confidence are a secret ballot.

Your best knowledge is wrong, there was all kinds of legal wrangles to get a secret ballot into place, previous ones and later ones didn't have it:

https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/breaking-zuma-motion-of-no-confidence-to-be-done-through-a-secret-ballot-20170807
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2017/08/zuma-survive-confidence-vote-170811085541096.html
https://www.timeslive.co.za/politics/2018-02-14-no-secret-ballot-in-motion-of-no-confidence-against-zuma/

So since you are wrong on the secret ballot thing (it was only the one motion of no confidence that had it, maybe carefully think through everything from the start, and then voice your opinion again.

 

[Splinter]

Your best knowledge is wrong, there was all kinds of legal wrangles to get a secret ballot into place, previous ones and later ones didn't have it:

https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/breaking-zuma-motion-of-no-confidence-to-be-done-through-a-secret-ballot-20170807
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2017/08/zuma-survive-confidence-vote-170811085541096.html
https://www.timeslive.co.za/politics/2018-02-14-no-secret-ballot-in-motion-of-no-confidence-against-zuma/

So since you are wrong on the secret ballot thing (it was only the one motion of no confidence that had it, maybe carefully think through everything from the start, and then voice your opinion again.

Umm, this has been covered already.

 

[supersunbird]

Umm, this has been covered already.

Well, I got to post #47 and finally got tired of you repeating the wrong thing