Egypt plans to limit population with American support

NarrowBandFtw

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There really is no relation to the number of children you have and how able you are to care for them
o_O of course there is; each additional child costs more money to feed, clothe and educate. If you don't have that money you have to cut corners and you are less able to care for them.
Each additional child also places an increased attention-span burden on the parent(s) that need to care for them.

this must all go moer toe just because the government decided you had too many children Bollocks.
Indeed, the system is bollocks, the government should not be providing child grants AT ALL. Then there's no vagueness around "do I have too many kids or not". It is all on you, as it damn well should be.
 

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And this isn't just about birth control advocacy and rolling out programs to supply free birth control to those who want it. This is about taking away the rights of those who have more than 2 children and subjecting them to discrimination, poverty and negative social pressure. How can you not see the parallels?
The right to what? Money stolen from people who are more responsible?
 

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At the end of the day population controls solve sooooooo many problems, it really is a good thing.
 

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What do you think the basic Nazi premise was exactly? It was entirely about population control.

And this isn't just about birth control advocacy and rolling out programs to supply free birth control to those who want it. This is about taking away the rights of those who have more than 2 children and subjecting them to discrimination, poverty and negative social pressure. How can you not see the parallels?
Yes so totally Nazi like... have more than 2 kids and they'll be shot or sent to a concentration camp and gassed.

Oh wait, thats not happening, they just not paying for the spawn when there's more than two.

Yip thats so bad.
 
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This is incentivised population control as opposed to forced population control.

In SA we give you more money for each extra child. We have been witnessing the consequences of that.

It is time we also take the approach of limiting children in terms of grants.
 

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There really is no relation to the number of children you have and how able you are to care for them.
That relation is actually directly proportional to how many children you have. The only reason your grandparents could make it work is because they probably had a higher education to begin with, and managed to handle that amount of kids. However, scientifically speaking, every child divides the amount of potential care a parent can provide. The math is pretty solid on this one, especially from a monetary standpoint.

This doesn't mean someone living in Egypt has the same chances as your grandparents did. Their lives are probably very different to yours.
 

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Don't really see the problem with this. They're not saying you're not allowed more than two children, only that they're not going to pay for more than two children through welfare. If you have a stable job and can afford to raise more than two children, you're more than welcome to do so, but do not expect free handouts because you're reproducing like rabbits.
 

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Don't really see the problem with this. They're not saying you're not allowed more than two children, only that they're not going to pay for more than two children through welfare. If you have a stable job and can afford to raise more than two children, you're more than welcome to do so, but do not expect free handouts because you're reproducing like rabbits.

Yeah if you have the funds to support 10 children and you want to have 10 children then nobody is stopping you. Nothing wrong with what they proposed.

The incentive for having just one child seems unnecessary though.
 

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Yeah if you have the funds to support 10 children and you want to have 10 children then nobody is stopping you. Nothing wrong with what they proposed.

The incentive for having just one child seems unnecessary though.
If you are poor enough to need government assistance, maybe it's better for everyone if you only have the one child so as to decrease the likely numbers of people who will need government assistance in the following generation.

On the other hand, if you can afford to finance 10 children, then you are exactly the sort of individual we want to have reproduce at above the replacement rate.
 

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There many ways to persuade people that fewer children is better without crossing that line into discrimination and enforced population control.
 

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There many ways to persuade people that fewer children is better without crossing that line into discrimination and enforced population control.
SA's population has more than doubled in my lifetime. There's no way we can afford growth of that kind when we can't take care of our current population.
 

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SA's population has more than doubled in my lifetime. There's no way we can afford growth of that kind when we can't take care of our current population.
Too bad something like this would never be implemented here as it goes against the ANCs socialism goals. The ANC would probably lose half their voter base if they start taking away freebies.
 

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SA's population has more than doubled in my lifetime. There's no way we can afford growth of that kind when we can't take care of our current population.
There is sweet b==gger all in the way of any kind of education program to promote small families. However, the solution is NOT to tell people whose biological imperative is to produce lots of kids that they and their kids are going to be subject to even worse poverty without any financial aid (which will only support the biological drive to reproduce). The solution is OMG hold your breath EDUCATION!

There is a direct correlation between wealth and the level education, and a direct correlation between the level of education and the number of children people have.

EDUCATE, EDUCATE, EDUCATE ... the ONLY solution to overpopulation AND poverty (its a twofer!) And miracles it doesn't even involve any neonazi type variations on eugenics and social engineering.
 

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There is a direct correlation between wealth and the level education, and a direct correlation between the level of education and the number of children people have.
How do you explain this person being one of 8. The wiki page does not say if his parents went to college though. In NZ people large families were promoted for much of the 20th century to help populate the small country and nothing of that had all that much to do with college attendance.

In sa in the old days much of the same was done, promoting of large families as to better fight the swartgevaar but again that had not much to do with education.

I think that the real reason why a lot of people are having fewer children in the western world is that it has gotten so damn expensive raising them, again education is not the issue.


Again my issue is with the subtle racism here. Why has no one ever complained about the large families being a burden on the kiwi social system?
 

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This is incentivised population control as opposed to forced population control.

In SA we give you more money for each extra child. We have been witnessing the consequences of that.

It is time we also take the approach of limiting children in terms of grants.
https://ewn.co.za/2015/08/06/Dumping-baby-girls-on-the-rise-in-China
https://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=130158&page=1

Always the same. If people not willing to take responsibility for themself, then somebody else will.
 

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In sa in the old days much of the same was done, promoting of large families as to better fight the swartgevaar but again that had not much to do with education.
Of course it did.

Every single one of those people in the old days had the privilege of education.
 
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