Eish! Ubuntu 10.10 RC1 iso is 4GB!!

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kingrob

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Ok, so I couldn't wait any longer and mozied over to www.ubuntu.com, to download Maverick Meerkat RC1....and then the shock! :wtf:

The iso is 4GB!! Um, that doesn't fly for a dude with 3GB of monthly data on Vodacom 3G. How I'm gonna get it now? :crying:
 
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kingrob

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Why don't you wait four days and get the final release?

Maybe that's a good idea, cos my Vodacom 3G is screwed up in any case. The download speed is so s......l......o.......w, even from the IS mirror. :(
 

koffiejunkie

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I doesn't really matter, I suppose, because if you download today, and run the updater on the 10th, you'll be right where everyone else is.
 

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why not just change the repos on your running install to point to whatever its called and use aptitude/apt-get to update?

debian based linux should be easily updateable between versions. that's why they even have apt-get/aptitude dist-upgrade (or full-upgrade).

and when I ran ubuntu for a short while, i found that the packages were available in repo before they made available the CD/DVDs
 

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You can order the Live DVD from the Ubuntu website. There is a nominal charge to cover postage and handling.

If you have an older machine with hardware limitations, try PuppyLinux. Its lots of fun, easy to install and use, and does most things you would want to do, including graphics and music. It comes with a full suite of applications, just like all computers used to in the good old days when dealers would throw in all sorts of extras along with the operating system. I am running it successfully on a 12-year old Pentium II which I haven't the heart to see turned into toxic waste on a dump somewhere. I dual boot with 98SE although the Linux is on a second hard disk taken from an even older computer which suffered mainboard failure.

For what its worth, I have a much younger Dell machine with a mainboard that could fail at any moment. The capacitors on it are swollen; Chinese junk. I have seen the same problem in set top boxes (digital converters/terrestrial receivers, etc.) which allow digital reception for older analogue TVs. Manufacturers source parts from various suppliers as cheaply as they can. The capacitors are often the weakest link. If you are good with circuit boards you can replace them yourself in some cases; depends on the architecture.

Consumer electronics is the next big pollution threat. Did you hear about the firm in the US that was taking surplus computers from government departments on the understanding that they would be disposed of acceptably? Thousands were dumped in some West African country. The kids there were pulling the circuit boards out and melting them down on open wood fires to recover the gold from the contacts. Many of the youngsters involved are now seriously ill from inhaling toxic fumes.

We inhabit this lovely, clean, hassle free virtual world, but everything comes at a price and someone always ends up paying.
 

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debian based linux should be easily updateable between versions. that's why they even have apt-get/aptitude dist-upgrade (or full-upgrade).

That's not a given, and hasn't been true of Ubuntu for a long time. It's only recently that Ubuntu started reliably surviving apt-get dist-upgrades the way Debian does. And still, the preferred upgrade method is their dedicated upgrade tool, do-release-upgrade

and when I ran ubuntu for a short while, i found that the packages were available in repo before they made available the CD/DVDs

The repos are there as soon as development on the new release starts. I've been poking at Meerkat for a few months now, after upgrading from Lucid via t he repos.

I am running it successfully on a 12-year old Pentium II which I haven't the heart to see turned into toxic waste on a dump somewhere.

Why not donate it to a needy school/student/child?
 

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Why not donate it to a needy school/student/child?
Couldn't agree more, but - like you - I'm in a part of the world where the kids have iPods, smart phones, computers at home, you name it.

The school where I do relief teaching upgraded its 1990s vintage hardware a few years ago. The ageing computer on which my partner prepares her invoices, using an early edition of Quick Invoice which did not work well with later versions of Quicken, failed. I suspected that it might be the processor, and asked the school network administrator whether he had one to the board in question. He said, "I can do better than that" and gave me an old computer. They had tried giving them to 'needier' students, most of whom took one look at the decade old desktops and trashed them on the spot.

The computer in question is still working like a dream. All I had to do was strip the hard drive out of the old computer, along with any other usable parts, and dump the case in the recycling bin. I made the original drive the slave and reformatted it. The replacement master drive, running Windows 98 and a variety of applications, worked without problems although it came from a different machine. I gather that that is not always possible with newer versions of Windows and associated applications since all sorts of codes designed to prevent piracy, or more than one, two or three installations of a program, are written into the boot sector and keyed to the actual machine on which the software was first installed. Doubtless there are ways around it, but how much time has one got; especially when one is only an amateur.
 

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Couldn't agree more, but - like you - I'm in a part of the world where the kids have iPods, smart phones, computers at home, you name it.

Whereabouts are you? I have the same problem, most kids here have fancier computers than me :) But I've done some searching and found a few charities that take care of getting old hardware to countries where a job typing documents into Word can sustain a family of four and people don't turn down free computers.

The replacement master drive, running Windows 98...

I hope you're not letting that beast out on the intertubes ;)
 

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Down under ... and I have a smaller machine running Windows 95; very stable. ;)

So right, for the work we do at school Word 2 would be more than adequate. I spend a fair amount of time helping people who haven't been playing with computers since 1984. I must emphasise that I'm an humanities teacher who became interested in amateur radio aged 12. No background in IT and, regrettably, chose not to study engineering because I thought my Maths was not up to it. More fool I; who does their own calculations nowadays? Log books, slide rules ... ???
 

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iirc when i had my P4 2.6GHz, i ran compiz quite well. and compiz is good eye candy.
 

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That's not a given, and hasn't been true of Ubuntu for a long time. It's only recently that Ubuntu started reliably surviving apt-get dist-upgrades the way Debian does. And still, the preferred upgrade method is their dedicated upgrade tool, do-release-upgrade

I honestly do not trust the distro upgrade feature. Several hundred megabytes & hours later you potentially have a borked system. I'm much rather download an iso and install that way, the iso can then also be used at a later stage if you have problems of any sort.
 

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I honestly do not trust the distro upgrade feature. Several hundred megabytes & hours later you potentially have a borked system. I'm much rather download an iso and install that way, the iso can then also be used at a later stage if you have problems of any sort.

Depends on the distro. Debian has been pretty impressive in this regard. My desktop at work started out as Debian Sarge and went through Etch, Lenny and now Squeeze via apt-get distupgrade (always on Testing). My oldest webserver started life as Debian Woody (stable) and has been through every subsequent release, now on Lenny. The only issues I've had with upgrading is when I chose to keep apache2.conf instead of installing the new one, while they move a few things to include files, so I ended up getting warnings about duplicate directives when starting Apache. But that's purely cosmetic, it still worked as intentded. I was seriously impressed, my webserver has a lot of customized stuff, and I set aside a weekend to do the update from Etch to Lenny, because I expected stuff to break. I ended up spending about 20 minutes doing the dist-upgrade, and another 20 or double checking that I didn't miss anything. Nothing broke.

My upgrade experience with Ubuntu hasn't been as rosy in the past, (around version 5 odd) but I did the upgrade from Lucid to Meerkat and that went perfect.
 

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Depends on the distro. Debian has been pretty impressive in this regard. My desktop at work started out as Debian Sarge and went through Etch, Lenny and now Squeeze via apt-get distupgrade (always on Testing). My oldest webserver started life as Debian Woody (stable) and has been through every subsequent release, now on Lenny. The only issues I've had with upgrading is when I chose to keep apache2.conf instead of installing the new one, while they move a few things to include files, so I ended up getting warnings about duplicate directives when starting Apache. But that's purely cosmetic, it still worked as intentded. I was seriously impressed, my webserver has a lot of customized stuff, and I set aside a weekend to do the update from Etch to Lenny, because I expected stuff to break. I ended up spending about 20 minutes doing the dist-upgrade, and another 20 or double checking that I didn't miss anything. Nothing broke.

My upgrade experience with Ubuntu hasn't been as rosy in the past, (around version 5 odd) but I did the upgrade from Lucid to Meerkat and that went perfect.

I'm should have clarified that I'm specifically referring to Ubuntu.
 

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issues with dist-upgrade should only surface if you use a lot of different 3rd party repos. And even then, apt is pretty robust enough that it will tell you about problems before you download any packages. i can't remember apt downloading packages and then telling me that there are dependency issues etc.
 
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