Electricity theft costs Eskom R15 million a day

mpdjhb said:
Here is a novel idea - involve the police and remove the connections.
Go back every day and remove them.
Set up monitoring so that when someone tries to put the connections back you arrest them.
When people "protest" with criminal property destruction in mind, arrest them too.

Why are the police so useless.
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because it would cost the ANC votes.
 
RedViking said:
The owner still does not need to tell you anything. Use your own investigation skills.
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I was responding to the part about you claiming it's none of my business, not whether or not he has to tell you.

I expect criminals to try to hide illegal activities. Those activities, because they cause harm to our society and therefore impact me, are very much my business, and the business of every citizen.
 
porchrat said:
I was responding to the part about you claiming it's none of my business, not whether or not he has to tell you.

I expect criminals to try to hide illegal activities. Those activities, because they cause harm to our society and therefore impact me, are very much my business, and the business of every citizen.
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Then you need to learn to read. I was responding to the fact that a random somebody think they have the right to be told something. No, you don't have to be told anything. What you gonna do once you arrested the suspect?
 
RedViking said:
Then you need to learn to read. I was responding to the fact that a random somebody think they have the right to be told something. No, you don't have to be told anything. What you gonna do once you arrested the suspect?
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I can read just fine. Thanks for your concern:

"Why does the owner have to tell you who did it? It's none of your business."

That last bit is incorrect.
 
porchrat said:
I can read just fine. Thanks for your concern:

"Why does the owner have to tell you who did it? It's none of your business."

That last bit is incorrect.
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It isn't any of your business to know who did it. No matter how entitled you feel.
 
RedViking said:
It isn't any of your business to know who did it. No matter how entitled you feel.
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They broke the law and in doing so are essentially stealing public money. Indirectly they're increasing the electricity prices of every paying citizen. It's the business of every citizen to know who did it.

If it didn't impact me I'd say you have a point, but it does.
 
porchrat said:
They broke the law and in doing so are essentially stealing public money. Indirectly they're increasing the electricity prices of every paying citizen. It's the business of every citizen to know who did it.
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And then what? You have a name.

What now?
 
RedViking said:
And then what?
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I'm not sure I follow you at that point.

My point is that, because the activity very much impacts general society, it is indeed the business of general society.

There is no "and then what" after that. My comment was directed at the idea that it's none of my business.

In an ideal world Eskom and the police would then deal with the issue to prevent impact on general society. Unfortunately both those parties are ineffective. That isn't related to the point I'm making though.

Pretending this is some sort of private matter is not reasonable. This sort of thing concerns all of us.
 
porchrat said:
I'm not sure I follow you at that point.

My point is that, because the activity very much impacts general society, it is indeed the business of general society.

There is no "and then what" after that. My comment was directed at the idea that it's none of my business.

In an ideal world Eskom and the police would then deal with the issue to prevent impact on general society. Unfortunately both those parties are ineffective. That isn't related to the point I'm making though.

Pretending this is some sort of private matter is not reasonable. This sort of thing concerns all of us.
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/knock knock at the front door

Porchat: Hi Rodney, tell me who helped you with your electricity connection.

Rodney: No

Porchat: But it is my right to know! I want names. I want numbers. Now!

Rodney: Nope.

Porchat: BUT THAT IS NOT FAIR! Tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me.

/closes door

/sips coffee
 
Propaganda.
Why?

The looting at Eskom is at biblical levels: R1m, minimum, is being siphoned from the Parastatal, every minute, 24-hours a day, for the past 13-years.

And that's a conservative estimate.

Disagree? Go and review the reports of Eskom's losses and do your own math.
 
porchrat said:
It ends up coming out of tax money. It's every citizen's business.
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Not in a socialist country like SA. Your tax money does not belong to you and you have no say how it gets wasted in a socialist sh1th0le. Example Eskom.
 
porchrat said:
They broke the law and in doing so are essentially stealing public money. Indirectly they're increasing the electricity prices of every paying citizen. It's the business of every citizen to know who did it.

If it didn't impact me I'd say you have a point, but it does.
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Not condoning electricity theft; it is hardly this massive hole that the article makes it out to be.

What is not said is that this "theft" is overwhelmingly perpetrated by businesses and their illegal connections, and conveniently excludes ANC-led municipalities which are not paying Eskom for the electricity costs recovered from citizens.

This whole article is propaganda to make you hate your neighbour over a problem that neither of you can do fsckall about, let alone anything which will make any measurable difference whatsoever.
R15m is a rounding error when compared to Eskom's daily diesel-bill.
 
LCBXX said:
Not condoning electricity theft; it is hardly this massive hole that the article makes it out to be.

What is not said is that this "theft" is overwhelmingly perpetrated by businesses and their illegal connections, and conveniently excludes ANC-led municipalities which are not paying Eskom for the electricity costs recovered from citizens.

This whole article is propaganda to make you hate your neighbour over a problem that neither of you can do fsckall about, let alone anything which will make any measurable difference whatsoever.
R15m is a rounding error when compared to Eskom's daily diesel-bill.
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To me anyone that doesn't pay for the electricity they use is part of the problem. I don't really care what walk of life they come from. This includes municipalities that aren't paying, folks in locations, folks bypassing meters etc.

For the extreme poor there probably should be some basic level of free electricity provided for basic survival, but an unmetered free connection is definitely not the answer nor is it something I agree with.
 
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RedViking said:
/knock knock at the front door

Porchat: Hi Rodney, tell me who helped you with your electricity connection.

Rodney: No

Porchat: But it is my right to know! I want names. I want numbers. Now!

Rodney: Nope.

Porchat: BUT THAT IS NOT FAIR! Tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me.

/closes door

/sips coffee
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You still don't get what I'm saying.

As I said. I expect the criminal not to say who mucked with the meter. They indeed have a right not to answer my questions. We're in complete agreement there and that's not the part of your post I was referring to.

That doesn't mean that situation is none of my business if they're breaking the law. It concerns all citizens.
 
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