Elon Musk slams Apple after company pauses Twitter advertising

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SlinkyMike said:
Exactly. Free speech absolutists are absolute nutcases. Ask them to name the things they want people to be able to "Free Speech" about and you'll see them STFU fast. The world they are advocating is a vile and hideous hellscape by any sane assessment. I'm not for government censorship in principle but I don't want unfettered access to CP either, obviously.
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They always claim it's too difficult. It really is not. Its free speech, until it infringes on more fundamental rights. What those fundamental rights are is the line that requires some discussion and agreement. The right to life, equality, security, and dignity are easy ones.

But the right freedom of belief and opinion, is different from freedom of expression (speech). You are allowed to be a racist, but you are not allowed to act like a racist.
 
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The_Right_Honourable_Brit said:
Pencil-pushing small-minded bureaucrats making threats...what's new?:ROFL:

The EU is very good at creating red tape and lots of non-jobs for their appalling bad politicians.
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The irony in you praising De Santos for the same thing in support of Twitter just yesterday seems to be escaping you.
 
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The_Right_Honourable_Brit said:
Pencil-pushing small-minded bureaucrats making threats...what's new?:ROFL:

The EU is very good at creating red tape and lots of non-jobs for their appalling bad politicians.
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Maybe they are like that because they know what happens when autocrats and fascist nutjobs don't have a leash.
 
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The irony in you praising De Santos for the same thing in support of Twitter just yesterday seems to be escaping you.
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First of all his surname his De Santis, not de Santos (he ain't Brazilian!) :p

Secondly, reading his reading his reported comments does not suggest anything like what the EU is suggesting. The term 'congressional action' is not equivalent to banning an app. It's a nebulous term.
 
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First of all his surname his De Santis, not de Santos (he ain't Brazilian!) :p

Secondly, reading his reading his reported comments does not suggest anything like what the EU is suggesting. The term 'congressional action' is not equivalent to banning an app. It's a nebulous term.
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The content does matter, it is that, "Pencil-pushing small-minded bureaucrats making threats" that matters. Exactly the same as what De Santis was threatening. Congressional action presumably implies some action negative to apple would then be taken, something you're okay with because it supports your prejudices in favour of Musk. Hypocrisy however you want to spin it.
 
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konfab said:
Theoretically yes. But it isn't guaranteed without a lot of effort.

I have never had a site that behaves on Chrome on desktop misbehave on Chrome on Android. In Apple's retarded land, that same site will work fine in Safari on desktop, but will not behave the same as Safari on iOS.
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There's always some hand-holding/workaround/nightmare fuel IOS issue to screw up a perfectly fine day.
 
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Perhaps Apple should wait and see if Twitter turns into parlor or whatever that other right-wing twitter knock off is before they threaten or pull advertising. Why did they even pull their advertising? Dear that Twitter is going to go full retard?

Look, Musk may well let it be a free for all if the right make up the revenue shortfall he loses when others jump ship. Let's not be fooled here, he's there to try recoup his disastrous financial mistake. Sucking up to the right might have some financial benefit in the short term and he probably hopes trump returns to help a bit, but he may be betting on the wrong horse there too. More so given that De Sanctimonious is in his corner and Trump with his thin skin will see some slight in that. Can't imagine De Sanctimonious being too happy having trump back on the platform making more disparaging remarks against him.
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They might have pulled advertising for the same reason that all the other advertisers are fleeing: nervousness over the security and state of the company in the middle of drastic head count reductions to its marketing and customer care teams.

gizmodo.com

Twitter's Ads Problems Are Even Worse Behind the Scenes

Teams that run critical ad systems dwindle to one or two staffers. Lost ad revenue adds up during what should be the most profitable time of the year.
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New reports suggest that Twitter’s mass layoffs and resignations hit critical ad technology teams. Musk wants to change Twitter’s business model through schemes like subscription fees for verified accounts, but any significant revenue from that program is a long way off. In the meantime, advertising is essentially the only way Twitter makes money, and Musk is flailing to turn the company’s ad problems around. So far those efforts have failed, and the layoffs to the metrics teams could make the platform even less appealing to advertisers going forward.
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It really looks like a catastrophic case of mismanagement and Musk is trying to deflect from his failures by blaming it on a woke war on free speech. I think it also doesn't help that he seems to be prioritising inviting all the people who were banned back, as though that is going to have any other result than turning the platform into a toxic hellhole.

You have to be realistic about this. Musk is flailing and trying to control the narrative.
 
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This was all just a ruse to meet Cook in person, least we forget:

At the end of last year, Elon Musk tweeted that he had tried to sell Tesla to Apple many years ago and Cook wouldn’t even take a meeting with him. Swisher pressed Cook on this claim, and this is what he said:

You know I’ve never spoken to Elon, although I have great admiration and respect for the company he has built. I think Tesla has done an unbelievable job of not only establishing the lead but keeping the lead for such a long period of time in the EV space. So I have great appreciation for them.
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