Emigration: Australia & New Zealand

RandomGeek

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Yep! Emirates, Etihad, Singapore and Qatar left, but who knows for how long - or if the airports will even stay open. We have this week to decide, hand in our resignation letters at SA companies and then hopefully fly around 1 May.
Scratch Emirates off that list


EDIT: seems they will still serve SA and Aus, at least initially
"Passenger flights will continue to the United Kingdom, Switzerland, Hong Kong, Thailand, Malaysia, Philippines, Japan, Singapore, South Korea, Australia, South Africa, the United States and Canada "until further notice, as long as borders remain open," Emirates said in its updated statement Sunday."

EDIT2:
"Singapore Airlines said Monday it’s cutting 96% of its capacity through April, mirroring an announcement by Hong Kong’s Cathay Pacific Airways on Friday."
 
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Scratch Emirates off that list


EDIT: seems they will still serve SA and Aus, at least initially
"Passenger flights will continue to the United Kingdom, Switzerland, Hong Kong, Thailand, Malaysia, Philippines, Japan, Singapore, South Korea, Australia, South Africa, the United States and Canada "until further notice, as long as borders remain open," Emirates said in its updated statement Sunday."

EDIT2:
"Singapore Airlines said Monday it’s cutting 96% of its capacity through April, mirroring an announcement by Hong Kong’s Cathay Pacific Airways on Friday."
Just Qatar left now - unless drastic improvements happen fighting this virus, it looks like our move is going to be delayed by some time
 

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Travel out of Aus has been heavily criticised last night and basically banned but not in so many words.

Greater restrictions placed on operations here, apparently 2 pages of dot points of businesses no longer allowed to operate. Still not in lockdown but because figures tend to be 10 days out of date and a pretty accurate estimation of infections doubling every 3-5 days I think we will possibly be in lockdown by Sunday. Biggest problem is that each state in Aus acts independantly so some states are more lax than others. In Victoria they closed the schools after Monday where in NSW they are threatening those teachers that don't serve out the full term.
 

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Spoke with a buddy who recently arrived in Oz. His advice? Don't arrive until this mess has blown over, people are losing their jobs en masse. Especially if people are following a LIFO approach it is not looking good for someone with no previous Oz experience.

Time to sit tight and wait this out :(
 
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Shame a guy that used to work with me in SA arrived in NZ on the 14th March, he used all his savings to get here to look for a job and now he is stuck in Lockdown. Luckily he had a 3 month visitors visa so hopefully he will still get an oppurtunity.
 

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Shame a guy that used to work with me in SA arrived in NZ on the 14th March, he used all his savings to get here to look for a job and now he is stuck in Lockdown. Luckily he had a 3 month visitors visa so hopefully he will still get an oppurtunity.
I read about another family in a Facebook group that got their visa, sold everything as they couldn't afford a container, quit jobs etc, and were told that they could fly out to NZ as long as they checked in before the cutoff time. It was then changed to get boarding pass on the final leg of the journey. So now they're stuck in SA with literally nothing.
 

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I read about another family in a Facebook group that got their visa, sold everything as they couldn't afford a container, quit jobs etc, and were told that they could fly out to NZ as long as they checked in before the cutoff time. It was then changed to get boarding pass on the final leg of the journey. So now they're stuck in SA with literally nothing.
Unfortunatelty heard a few horror stories like that.
 

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Spoke with a buddy who recently arrived in Oz. His advice? Don't arrive until this mess has blown over, people are losing their jobs en masse. Especially if people are following a LIFO approach it is not looking good for someone with no previous Oz experience.

Time to sit tight and wait this out :(
Shame a guy that used to work with me in SA arrived in NZ on the 14th March, he used all his savings to get here to look for a job and now he is stuck in Lockdown. Luckily he had a 3 month visitors visa so hopefully he will still get an oppurtunity.
Been quite hectic for people. The first day of our increased measures 150k people lost jobs and were queuing at centrelink. I believe this is up to 350k now 3 days in.

I've heard stories of fathers or mothers coming over here on work visas waiting to land a job before their spouse and kids come over and now they are separated indefinitely. Even people who have obligations and lives here but not on PR/citizenship can't get back in. Sure you can contact home affairs and plead your case but I'm sure even to get your details in front of someone will take ages, all the while your life goes to ****.

I think if we can learn anything from this it is that there is generally no plan by governments to cater for these types of situations. You need to make sure you are prudent and make plans to be able to take care of yourselves and loved ones in these types of situations even if you have no income.
 

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I planned to put my job hunting on hold for a few months, but I just got an interview for Monday for an Aussie job I applied for last week. :D
 

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A friend from Aus was visiting here and has cut it very close on getting back. Currently on a 20 hour layover in Doha. Then into 2 weeks self isolation.
 

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Here's our "horror story". We shipped everything off to NZ, and were supposed to fly out on the 24th on a Work to Residence (Talent) visa. Now we're stuck in South Africa.

Fortunately we're not as bad off as most. We had our house on the market, but it didn't sell, so we still have a place to stay. We postponed the car sale, so we still have a car. We were going to give our fridge, microwave and TV to our domestic worker, which we've also postponed. We still have a double bed, be it a little cramped. And we still have fibre.

My worry is will I still have a job in NZ once the dust settles.
 

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My friend arrived home (Melbourne) just in time to avoid this and to still be able to self isolate in her apartment.

Government media release just now: Enforced Quarantine For Returned Travellers To Combat Coronavirus 27th Mar 2020 Following agreement by the National Cabinet, all travellers returning from overseas to Victoria will be placed in enforced quarantine for a self-isolation period of 14-days to slow the spread of coronavirus. While Victoria has seen some community transmission of this virus, most cases have been the result of travellers returning from overseas who then pass it onto their close contacts. To ensure this no longer happens, National Cabinet has agreed that all states and territories will put in place enforced quarantine measures. This will see returned travellers housed in hotels, motels, caravan parks, and student accommodation for their 14-day self-isolation period. These measures will not only help slow the spread of coronavirus, they will also support hospitality workers who are facing significant challenges during this time. The new measures will be operational from 11.59pm on Saturday 28 March, with the Victorian Government already securing 5000 hotel rooms. We will try to accommodate returned travellers close to their homes, but in some instances that may not be possible. Each person will also receive self-isolation care packages of food and other essentials. The costs of accommodation, public health and security will be covered by each individual jurisdiction, and there will be reciprocal arrangements in place to house the residents of other states and territories. It has also been agreed that the Australian Defence Force will be engaged to support the implementation of these arrangements. The Victorian Government is working closely with the Australian Hotels Association and other organisations so all returned travellers can be housed safely and securely. As we take this extra step to slow the spread of coronavirus, our message to every other Victorian remains the same: Stay at home, protect our health system, save lives. If you can stay home, you must stay home. If you don’t, people will die.
 

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Guys... please chat I need something to occupy myself with other than work :p

So I had kind of made peace with the fact of going to Australia to be poorer.
But now after not pinpointing an achievable salary, I need to adjust my expectations even more.
I'm aiming for higher than what I am being told to aim for, and salaries look pretty low compared to South Africa.

In thousand ZAR assuming 10 ZAR/AUD, based on having R4m house deposit. House value includes transfer fees.
Already checked that likely no state age pension would be paid (this reduces from full to zero pension based on assets excl home at retirement... it's zero if you're worth $800k today).
Salaries inclusive of Super.
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And a minimal expense comparison between current and Australia
Yes, in fact, free public schooling in Australia is more expensive when all expenses (voluntary fee, day trips, activities) are added up... there are plenty of articles highlighting the statistics.
This ignores that university costs will be a small fortune.
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Currently in South Africa I am saving way more than any of these scenarios... what are your opinions on the financial side only?
Do I just have to either somehow work hard at getting massive salaries, or give up on trying to own a nice house?
 

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Guys... please chat I need something to occupy myself with other than work :p

So I had kind of made peace with the fact of going to Australia to be poorer.
But now after not pinpointing an achievable salary, I need to adjust my expectations even more.
I'm aiming for higher than what I am being told to aim for, and salaries look pretty low compared to South Africa.

In thousand ZAR assuming 10 ZAR/AUD, based on having R4m house deposit. House value includes transfer fees.
Already checked that likely no state age pension would be paid (this reduces from full to zero pension based on assets excl home at retirement... it's zero if you're worth $800k today).
Salaries inclusive of Super.
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And a minimal expense comparison between current and Australia
Yes, in fact, free public schooling in Australia is more expensive when all expenses (voluntary fee, day trips, activities) are added up... there are plenty of articles highlighting the statistics.
This ignores that university costs will be a small fortune.
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Currently in South Africa I am saving way more than any of these scenarios... what are your opinions on the financial side only?
Do I just have to either somehow work hard at getting massive salaries, or give up on trying to own a nice house?
I believe from my research, some of the Utilities are payable once every 3 months and are less than what we pay here, like water and electricity. Insurance for a car / bike are paid once a year and are included with your licence renewal. Second hand cars are cheaper to some degree, whereas bikes are more expensive. Clothes are cheaper depending where you shop. Food is pretty much on par with SA, some stuff is more expensive, some is cheaper. Coles has a decent online store in order to compare . Alcohol and Cigarettes are more expensive tho.

Things like medical insurance / medical aid is cheaper in Aus than here, you dont have to pay second tax, ie security companies, alarm systems, etc.

From spending a month in Sydney and Brisbane, the major change that I was aware of was the mental relaxation that one gets from not having to stress so much.
 

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Not a chance is schooling more expensive than SA, unless you go private.

My sons primary school fees are $380 for the entire year and the total of his first terms excursion fees etc came to $50. Expect the total for this year his school expenses will come to around $600, besides uniform etc. That’s R6000 for the entire year. The only decent public school near us in Cape Town was R1500 a month plus other fees for excursions etc, and the private schools were over R4000 a month.

Child care is crazy expensive though, before kindergarten age. My daughter goes twice a week just to get her to socialise and give my wife two quiet day’s and it’s $122 a DAY. It’s subsidised by the government though, based on your salary, so in my case the government pays 65% of the fee and I pay the remainder, so it works out to $42 a day or so that I pay.

Car insurance is cheap, car registration is very expensive, like $200 a quarter (3 months).

Gas, electric and water is reasonable and also charged per quarter.
 

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I believe from my research, some of the Utilities are payable once every 3 months and are less than what we pay here, like water and electricity. Insurance for a car / bike are paid once a year and are included with your licence renewal. Second hand cars are cheaper to some degree, whereas bikes are more expensive. Clothes are cheaper depending where you shop. Food is pretty much on par with SA, some stuff is more expensive, some is cheaper. Coles has a decent online store in order to compare . Alcohol and Cigarettes are more expensive tho.
I think on the vehicle maintenance - it's similar (since I DIY), but licensing is more than my current licensing + insurance.
I saw lots of cheap items on Facebook - so no need to take beds and furniture I think.
The food though, looks mostly more expensive on the fruit+veg... $3/kg potatoes vs under $1/kg.
Anyway online sites estimate cost of living 70% more ... I didn't even count much of an increase since I'm expecting to be more frugal.

Things like medical insurance / medical aid is cheaper in Aus than here, you dont have to pay second tax, ie security companies, alarm systems, etc.
Currently I have options to pay nothing or near nothing for medical aid, but yes that's a big + after retirement. I've never paid for security except burglar bars.

Not a chance is schooling more expensive than SA, unless you go private.

My sons primary school fees are $380 for the entire year and the total of his first terms excursion fees etc came to $50. Expect the total for this year his school expenses will come to around $600, besides uniform etc. That’s R6000 for the entire year. The only decent public school near us in Cape Town was R1500 a month plus other fees for excursions etc, and the private schools were over R4000 a month.
Thanks, not sure why the average in surveys is so much more then?

The source I had for this is https://www.goodschools.com.au/insi...ls-the-cost-of-an-australian-school-education
It's a lifetime cost of $58k, so $5k/year/child including "extracurricular, clothing, necessities, travel and computers".
Here I pay about R30k/year/child.
 
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