Emigration: Australia & New Zealand

Neuk_

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Day off was awesome thanks man. Took the tram down to Glenelg beach with the family and chilled at Mosely Beach Club which is a cool bar / restaurant right on the beach.
I apologise in advance for spamming you with questions :ROFL: We are starting the application process and have yourself and my girlfriends cousin who have recently gone through it, both of you are in Adelaide as well.
 

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Myself and my girlfriend have decided to get started on the process to apply for a visa to live and work in Australia so I have a lot of research and work to do. We are looking at either a Skilled Independent visa (subclass 189) or Skilled Nominated visa (subclass 190) as it looks like we are eligible for either of them. I have two options to look at in terms of which of the skills I have to apply for that are on the Skilled occupation list, either my BSc Industrial Engineering degree or my work experience as a Business Analyst. Besides that I need to check if my girlfriends qualifications are on the Skilled occupation list and what impact that makes but will start gathering all documentation I can for now like academic transcripts, etc.
If I remember correctly, you get points for the degree, and points for work experience in the skilled occupation in the shortage list. The degree doesn't have to match the work experience.
The work experience is assessed, however, and if the degree and occupation doesn't match closely enough, you will lose "recognised" work experience. I lost 4 years, even though my degree "closely" matched my occupation, and I think the max you can lose is 6. Also note that experience after the first 10 years counts for half.
It will also differ from assessing authority to assessing authority.
According to earlier posts, it's possible that people will now lose 2 fewer years? I don't know the detail about that.

As you can see above, you will need 90 points (estimated to be 85 later in the year) to stand a chance. Your GF being on the same list as you will give you an additional 5 points, and she will need to prove competent English for another 5.
You will really need these extra points, and to me it looks almost impossible to get in unless you do it at the right time where you have the 8-10 years recognised exp, is still under 33, or you studied/worked there for a while or have a Phd.
 

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I apologise in advance for spamming you with questions :ROFL: We are starting the application process and have yourself and my girlfriends cousin who have recently gone through it, both of you are in Adelaide as well.
Haha, I welcome it! That’s awesome news man, look forward to having you this side of the world! :) As long as it’s the East Coast or South Australia you’ll be near enough for meet-ups.
 

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If I remember correctly, you get points for the degree, and points for work experience in the skilled occupation in the shortage list. The degree doesn't have to match the work experience.
The work experience is assessed, however, and if the degree and occupation doesn't match closely enough, you will lose "recognised" work experience. I lost 4 years, even though my degree "closely" matched my occupation, and I think the max you can lose is 6. Also note that experience after the first 10 years counts for half.
It will also differ from assessing authority to assessing authority.
According to earlier posts, it's possible that people will now lose 2 fewer years? I don't know the detail about that.

As you can see above, you will need 90 points (estimated to be 85 later in the year) to stand a chance. Your GF being on the same list as you will give you an additional 5 points, and she will need to prove competent English for another 5.
You will really need these extra points, and to me it looks almost impossible to get in unless you do it at the right time where you have the 8-10 years recognised exp, is still under 33, or you studied/worked there for a while or have a Phd.
Interesting, thanks for the input, it is greatly appreciated. It is a concern for me, I work in a somewhat highly specialised field with the bulk of us having Engineering, Finance, Audit, Law, etc. qualifications but working with ERP and planning systems, which can be difficult for some to understand. For my BSc Industrial Engineering degree, Engineers Australia would do the migration skills assessment but for my Business Analyst experience ACS would do the migration skills assessment.

Is the 90 points that you quote as being needed for two people on a visa? I am unfortunately turning 39 this year so age is counting against me...
 

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Haha, I welcome it! That’s awesome news man, look forward to having you this side of the world! :) As long as it’s the East Coast or South Australia you’ll be near enough for meet-ups.
We are unsure of where we would end up at this stage but Adelaide is an option as my girlfriend has family there which makes it a lot easier. We both enjoyed Brisbane as well.
 

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Have a look at which occupation (BA / Industrial Engineer) gets more invites and at which points level. Also the assessment requirements, costs, etc. Documentation and info is available, but things can get complicated, so make sure you read carefully. If you can afford an agent they can advise on which occupation would be better to use.

Sounds like an interesting field / occupation!
 

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Myself and my girlfriend have decided to get started on the process to apply for a visa to live and work in Australia so I have a lot of research and work to do. We are looking at either a Skilled Independent visa (subclass 189) or Skilled Nominated visa (subclass 190) as it looks like we are eligible for either of them. I have two options to look at in terms of which of the skills I have to apply for that are on the Skilled occupation list, either my BSc Industrial Engineering degree or my work experience as a Business Analyst. Besides that I need to check if my girlfriends qualifications are on the Skilled occupation list and what impact that makes but will start gathering all documentation I can for now like academic transcripts, etc.
My wife has a BSc Industrial Engineering. Didn't bother to getting it accredited because assessment seemed hard and slow... but now you probably need all the points you can get. For IT qualifications it's no effort really. I had 0 years experience deducted post qualification so it depends.

Check what Conan mentioned - spouse occupation has to be on the SAME shortage list.
 

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Have a look at which occupation (BA / Industrial Engineer) gets more invites and at which points level. Also the assessment requirements, costs, etc. Documentation and info is available, but things can get complicated, so make sure you read carefully. If you can afford an agent they can advise on which occupation would be better to use.

Sounds like an interesting field / occupation!
Where can I see this?

From what I have read, assessment for my BSc Ind Eng degree is fairly straightforward and requires an identification document, IELTS/PTE Acedemic test, degree certificate, academic transcript, CV and colour photographs. I studied at Wits which is accredited by ECSA which is a signatory of the Washington accord meaning that the degree is recognised by Engineers Australia automatically. I haven't done the same research for ACS yet.
 

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My wife has a BSc Industrial Engineering. Didn't bother to getting it accredited because assessment seemed hard and slow... but now you probably need all the points you can get. For IT qualifications it's no effort really. I had 0 years experience deducted post qualification so it depends.

Check what Conan mentioned - spouse occupation has to be on the SAME shortage list.
Interesting, from what I have read, besides the IELTS test it is a straightforward process if your degree was done at a university accredited by ECSA. I don't have a formal IT qualification ,just various certifications like my Oracle JD Edwards EnterpriseOne 9 Manufacturing Certified Implementation Specialist certification.
 

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Interesting, thanks for the input, it is greatly appreciated. It is a concern for me, I work in a somewhat highly specialised field with the bulk of us having Engineering, Finance, Audit, Law, etc. qualifications but working with ERP and planning systems, which can be difficult for some to understand. For my BSc Industrial Engineering degree, Engineers Australia would do the migration skills assessment but for my Business Analyst experience ACS would do the migration skills assessment.

Is the 90 points that you quote as being needed for two people on a visa? I am unfortunately turning 39 this year so age is counting against me...
The points only apply for the primary applicant. Your gf will just tag along on the application.
You get 10 points if you're single, or 10 points if your wife/gf has an occupation on the same list and has competent English.

The PTE is easy enough, I don't think you'll have trouble there, especially if you work in English.

I went through ACS, which was relatively easy. A friend of mine went through EA and he had to do reports which kept him busy for months.

BA is a pro-rated occupation, meaning they will only take a set amount of BAs per year. Here's some estimates:

You still have the whole of 39 to get an invite. Your age when you are invited is what they use for the application. If you or your gf are on the regional lists, it seems that it is the easier way to get in at the moment. Regional is pretty much anything except Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane.

I'm still annoyed. If I received and submitted my PTE-A results 4 days earlier, I would have been invited in May 2019 already...
 
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The points only apply for the primary applicant. Your gf will just tag along on the application.
You get 10 points if you're single, or 10 points if your wife/gf has an occupation on the same list and has competent English.

The PTE is easy enough, I don't think you'll have trouble there, especially if you work in English.

I went through ACS, which was relatively easy. A friend of mine went through EA and he had to do reports which kept him busy for months.

BA is a pro-rated occupation, meaning they will only take a set amount of BAs per year. Here's some estimates:

You still have the whole of 39 to get an invite. Your age when you are invited is what they use for the application. If you or your gf are on the regional lists, it seems that it is the easier way to get in at the moment. Regional is pretty much anything except Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane.

I'm still annoyed. If I received and submitted my PTE-A results 4 days earlier, I would have been invited in May 2019 already...
Thanks for the information, very interesting but a little concerning as using the point calculator I only get 70 points, which doesn't look good on the link you provided for either my BSc Ind Eng degree or BA work experience. Where can I see the regional lists? Are these used for the Skilled Nominated visa (subclass 190) visa?
 

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Thanks for the information, very interesting but a little concerning as using the point calculator I only get 70 points, which doesn't look good on the link you provided for either my BSc Ind Eng degree or BA work experience. Where can I see the regional lists? Are these used for the Skilled Nominated visa (subclass 190) visa?
Never mind, it is the same list, both the 189 and 190 visa list my degree/occupation.
 

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Thanks for the information, very interesting but a little concerning as using the point calculator I only get 70 points, which doesn't look good on the link you provided for either my BSc Ind Eng degree or BA work experience. Where can I see the regional lists? Are these used for the Skilled Nominated visa (subclass 190) visa?
No, the 190 still relies on the LTSS list. The 190 still relies on points, but there isn't a fixed date when the EOIs are drawn, and tbh, it's a bit of a mystery to me how they choose applicants.

I think the "easy" visa is the 482 and 491 visas. I never really investigated them properly, as the regional areas only sponsor software devs that graduated in their states, so you would get better advice from someone else.

Here are the lists:

The way that I understand it, if the occupation is on the Australian Short term list, then it can also be on the regional list, and it has to be on the specific state's regional list to get a regional visa.

It might still be worth getting advice from an agent, even if you think you don't stand a chance. My friend who tried to go the engineering route is almost 45, and there was apparently a way he could get in before the whole thing went to crap.
 

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Where can I see this?

From what I have read, assessment for my BSc Ind Eng degree is fairly straightforward and requires an identification document, IELTS/PTE Acedemic test, degree certificate, academic transcript, CV and colour photographs. I studied at Wits which is accredited by ECSA which is a signatory of the Washington accord meaning that the degree is recognised by Engineers Australia automatically. I haven't done the same research for ACS yet.

 

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No, the 190 still relies on the LTSS list. The 190 still relies on points, but there isn't a fixed date when the EOIs are drawn, and tbh, it's a bit of a mystery to me how they choose applicants.

I think the "easy" visa is the 482 and 491 visas. I never really investigated them properly, as the regional areas only sponsor software devs that graduated in their states, so you would get better advice from someone else.

Here are the lists:

The way that I understand it, if the occupation is on the Australian Short term list, then it can also be on the regional list, and it has to be on the specific state's regional list to get a regional visa.

It might still be worth getting advice from an agent, even if you think you don't stand a chance. My friend who tried to go the engineering route is almost 45, and there was apparently a way he could get in before the whole thing went to crap.
Thanks. Unfortunately on intitial inspection both the 482 and 491 visa's are not PR visa's, like the 189 and 190 but I am not sure if they have an avenue to PR. I checked the online skills shortage list and for both my options, are listed on the lists for a 189 and 190 visa. I am asking for advice here, to those that have been through the prcoess recently and am approaching a few agents although I am avoiding the agent route for now.
 

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Thanks. Unfortunately on intitial inspection both the 482 and 491 visa's are not PR visa's, like the 189 and 190 but I am not sure if they have an avenue to PR. I checked the online skills shortage list and for both my options, are listed on the lists for a 189 and 190 visa. I am asking for advice here, to those that have been through the prcoess recently and am approaching a few agents although I am avoiding the agent route for now.
491 is a provisional regional visa and can eventually lead to PR, but I think also with the regional limitation. Basically you have to live and work outside major cities like Sydney and Melbourne. Some states like Victoria require a job offer for this visa. A work visa is probably the quickest way to get in.
 

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@Neuk_ have a look at this link below. I broadly agree with his analysis of the situation. I'm currently on the 189 path but if I had to start today I would not have enough points. 491 isnt looking like a bad option at all, but it excludes Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane. If you can find decent work in any other areas it is worth consideration

 

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491 is a provisional regional visa and can eventually lead to PR, but I think also with the regional limitation. Basically you have to live and work outside major cities like Sydney and Melbourne. Some states like Victoria require a job offer for this visa. A work visa is probably the quickest way to get in.
@Neuk_ have a look at this link below. I broadly agree with his analysis of the situation. I'm currently on the 189 path but if I had to start today I would not have enough points. 491 isnt looking like a bad option at all, but it excludes Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane. If you can find decent work in any other areas it is worth consideration

Thanks to both of you, I will look in to the 491 visa's a bit further but from the sounds of it they are not PR and don't necessarily guarantee PR which is a concern as our intention is to move to Australia for good. I have always preferred the 189/190 type visa's which are independant of employment/employers and guarantee PR from the start but I will have to see how it goes.
 

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Thanks to both of you, I will look in to the 491 visa's a bit further but from the sounds of it they are not PR and don't necessarily guarantee PR which is a concern as our intention is to move to Australia for good. I have always preferred the 189/190 type visa's which are independant of employment/employers and guarantee PR from the start but I will have to see how it goes.
HI Neuk. Yes if given a choice I would also prefer the 189/190. But - here are the pros and cons for these 2:

189:
+ PR status
+ Can go live anywhere
+ Relatively simple and consistent to understand application process compared to 190.
+ Relatively easy to understand how good a chance you have to get invited
- They are strangling the life out of this visa - roughly 50% decrease in allocation over the last year. This lead to rocketing points requirement and processing times doubling from 6-7 months to 11-13

190:
+ PR Status
+ They haven't decreased the allocation of this type to my knowledge
+ Processing times are quicker here than for 189; you are looking at 8 to 10 months
- You have to live in a certain state. May or may not be a problem, e.g. a software developer in Tasmania may struggle
- Inconsistent approach - each state has its own list with differing requirements. You will have to do some in-depth investigations to see which states you qualify for
- The process of invitation from the states, and how they select applicants, aren't transparent at all. So you really don't know where you stand at any point

Hope this helps
 

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HI Neuk. Yes if given a choice I would also prefer the 189/190. But - here are the pros and cons for these 2:

189:
+ PR status
+ Can go live anywhere
+ Relatively simple and consistent to understand application process compared to 190.
+ Relatively easy to understand how good a chance you have to get invited
- They are strangling the life out of this visa - roughly 50% decrease in allocation over the last year. This lead to rocketing points requirement and processing times doubling from 6-7 months to 11-13

190:
+ PR Status
+ They haven't decreased the allocation of this type to my knowledge
+ Processing times are quicker here than for 189; you are looking at 8 to 10 months
- You have to live in a certain state. May or may not be a problem, e.g. a software developer in Tasmania may struggle
- Inconsistent approach - each state has its own list with differing requirements. You will have to do some in-depth investigations to see which states you qualify for
- The process of invitation from the states, and how they select applicants, aren't transparent at all. So you really don't know where you stand at any point

Hope this helps
Yeah it can be confusing. When I was applying I always used this site, you enter your job code and it tells you all the current lists, states and visa's you qualify for.

 
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