Engineering body calls emergency meeting over CEO’s comments about women

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Pillay keeps his job amid calls for more women in STEM

After writing a sexist article about women in science, technology, engineering and mathematics (STEM), chief executive of the South African Institution of Civil Engineering (SAICE) Manglin Pillay gets to keep his job.

In an article in the June edition of Civil Engineering magazine titled “Out on a Rib”, Pillay claimed investment in women in the field needed rethinking because they were more predisposed to work in caring and people-oriented careers.

Pillay quoted a study by Leeds Beckett School of Social Sciences and the University of Missouri which said that women at a certain age “prefer to work part-time or dedicate themselves completely to child rearing or pursuing other meaningful exploits generally related to caring”.

He further wrote that in cases where women and men do the same amount of work but are not paid equally, it was because women are “agreeable”. “Stop being agreeable when negotiating pay,” he said.

Following the uproar over his comments, Pillay apologised. The SAICE has accepted his apology and said he could keep his position.
More at : https://www.iol.co.za/the-star/news/pillay-keeps-his-job-amid-calls-for-more-women-in-stem-16492011
 

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SA Institute of Civil Engineering CEO agrees to leave over ‘sexist’ column

The CEO of the South African Institute of Civil Engineering (SAICE)‚ Manglin Pillay‚ has resigned from him position with immediate effect.

SAICE president Errol Kerst made the announcement in a statement issued on Thursday.

Pillay has come under fire for a column‚ “Out on a rib”‚ in which he insinuated it was not a good idea to invest in female engineers. In his piece Pillay claimed that research showed women to be “predisposed” to caring and people-oriented careers.


More at: https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2018-09-06-sa-institute-of-civil-engineering-ceo-agrees-to-leave-over-sexist-column/
 

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I have literally heard crass discussions between guys and when the women interjects, they get told, that this is construction and she should get use to it.
There might be some reasonable middle ground, but I don't see why men should be expected to be the ones to do all the changing.

Femininity and those other traits associated with it are viewed as inferior and unwanted in the workplace. Femininity is associated with servitude.That's why I love this picture. She has makeup on and she looks like a woman. Not some weird amalgamation of masculinity and femininity. It shows women can be strong and powerful, but be a woman at the same time.

These views are not (completely) intended, but there are some biases. First and second wave feminism has largely done what it set out to achieve, which is great. Third wave feminism is trying to completely remove the idea of any sexes/genders. You want society to stop with pushing these agendas? How about we try stop pushing women into boxes? Let women embrace their femininity, but also accept that women will not always fit into your preconceived mold.
Surely we should drop the stereotyping altogether. You're loving a picture because it fits a stereotype.

It is interesting that you say that femininity and traits associated with it are unwanted in the workplace because I've observed that the traits traditionally considered to be masculine are increasingly viewed as inferior and unwanted in the educational environment.

Third wave feminism seems to have two competing personalities. The one side is the quite reasonable goal of doing away with things like segregating toys, colours, clothing, hair, activities and so on. The other though is some bizarre mix of constantly denigrating men and what they consider male traits and claiming women are just as capable as men while demanding all manner of special treatment for women.
 

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The discussion is a bit off-topic.

The article says that WomEng is of the opinion that women HAVE to be representative in order for products/infrastructure created to not be male-oriented.

Then they go off on blaming Pillay for being chauvinist probably because their funding may be reduced if his opinion that it's ok to have unequal levels is accepted.
 

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He's right, of course. Generally speaking.

The real scandal here is that some people just can't see it or bring themselves to acknowledge it.
Yes unfortunately, no one actually has the right to "freedom of speech" anymore. It is only those that toe the line and behave to current norms that are allowed to speak their minds. The "truth does not set you free" in this country anymore. It brands you as an inferior person.
 

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Yes unfortunately, no one actually has the right to "freedom of speech" anymore. It is only those that toe the line and behave to current norms that are allowed to speak their minds. The "truth does not set you free" in this country anymore. It brands you as an inferior person.
Freedom of speech has never equated to freedom from consequences. There are vast industries of lawyers that sit comfortably on their respective yachts because of this concept.
 
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