England tour to SA: 2015

AfricanTech

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Domingo is an idiot

So is Lorgat - just listen to how poorly he is handling this

Wish those two would piss off
 

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He's an extremely honorable man. He feels that the captaincy is impacting his batting and wants to re-focus his attention. I have huge respect for him and I hope he now goes on to score TONS of runs!!! It will be great to have the old Hash back!
This, so much this.

Also, there were only 2 days between the tests, so that would have been a catastrophe - now, there are 7 days before the next.

Good call.
 

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Why resign now, he just safed a remarkable test for his country, and batted superbly, great signs going forward. Should have resigned after the Durban hammering. Something is fishy and going down in the camp me thinks.

If he's not comfortable doing it, why force it any longer? I think everyone can see he's not a natural leader and there's nothing wrong with that.

Don't think AB is the answer either...if only Elgar had 30-40 tests behind him.
 

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He's an extremely honorable man. He feels that the captaincy is impacting his batting and wants to re-focus his attention. I have huge respect for him and I hope he now goes on to score TONS of runs!!! It will be great to have the old Hash back!

+1, let him get on with the job he was picked to do. He's the best test batsman in the world when his mind is right.
 

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As Michael Holding just said, Hashim himself said that he feels that someone else can do a better job as Captain - that is humility and self awareness of your strengths and weaknesses in action.

Huge, huge respect to him.
 

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Please don't tell me they'll put steyn back in the team. What the hell for? So he can bowl a handful of overs and then fall apart again?

Still the best there is. If he is fit he plays. Simple as that. To put in perspective Steyn at his best would have seized the moment this morning when there was cloud and england in trouble he would have run through them as he has done countless times to win the game for SA. While morkel,radaba and morris bowled decently they didn't land the killer blow and that's what separates the greats from the good.

Good decision by hash. Maybe not the best timing but it was inevitable.
 
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Why resign now, he just safed a remarkable test for his country, and batted superbly, great signs going forward. Should have resigned after the Durban hammering. Something is fishy and going down in the camp me thinks.
I agree with you wholeheartedly. I think certain elements within the camp simply could not stomach being led by Amla, and I think it could be our Broad&Jimmy equivalent a mirror of the KP saga. At the same time I think the captaincy carrot had to be dangled before certan individuals to make them change their minds.

Amla did two things which no other captain would have ever done - 1.remove himself from slips after a few dropped catches, 2.move back to #3 to give Faf several undeserved lives. Kallis would never have moved to 3 recently when Amla's batting was off form. He should have been dropped instead of batted lower. These two things alone - Amla bending over backwards - prove beyond doubt that it's not so much his humility but certain characters forcing him into such decisionmaking. What kind of captain can think properly chasing every 3rd ball to the boundary...especially in this case when England batted forever and plundered the South African attack??? That was humiliating for Amla and he had enough. They would never have dared suggest Smith move from slips. Even suggesting that to Amla undermined him.
 

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I agree with you wholeheartedly. I think certain elements within the camp simply could not stomach being led by Amla, and I think it could be our Broad&Jimmy equivalent a mirror of the KP saga. At the same time I think the captaincy carrot had to be dangled before certan individuals to make them change their minds.

Amla did two things which no other captain would have ever done - 1.remove himself from slips after a few dropped catches, 2.move back to #3 to give Faf several undeserved lives. Kallis would never have moved to 3 recently when Amla's batting was off form. He should have been dropped instead of batted lower. These two things alone - Amla bending over backwards - prove beyond doubt that it's not so much his humility but certain characters forcing him into such decisionmaking. What kind of captain can think properly chasing every 3rd ball to the boundary...especially in this case when England batted forever and plundered the South African attack??? That was humiliating for Amla and he had enough. They would never have dared suggest Smith move from slips. Even suggesting that to Amla undermined him.

So you are saying that Hashim LIED at the press conference?
 

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Strangely I was watching the highlights of today's play earlier and in they showed a clip of the team in their huddle, AB was doing all the talking. Wonder if the change hadn't been made during the innings already.
 

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He's an extremely honorable man. He feels that the captaincy is impacting his batting and wants to re-focus his attention. I have huge respect for him and I hope he now goes on to score TONS of runs!!! It will be great to have the old Hash back!

Could not have said it better. Must say, cricketing aside, we have a bunch of really great guys in the team. It will be better for us having the same captain for tests and ODIs. Its been like that with Smith. Different captains makes no sense, except for T20 which I dont care for but there is no reason for AB not to captain that too as he is a given to be in the team.
 

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Great effort by SA in the end. Great boost for our batters and bowlers.

Have to respect Amla and his decision. Our top order depends on him being the anchor.

Team for next game (suggested):
Elgar
Amla
AB
Faf
Bavuma
De Kock
Morris
Steyn
Piedt
Rabada
Morkel
 

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Make Faf captain. It won't affect his batting, since he is **** anyways.
 

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I agree with you wholeheartedly. I think certain elements within the camp simply could not stomach being led by Amla, and I think it could be our Broad&Jimmy equivalent a mirror of the KP saga. At the same time I think the captaincy carrot had to be dangled before certan individuals to make them change their minds.

Amla did two things which no other captain would have ever done - 1.remove himself from slips after a few dropped catches, 2.move back to #3 to give Faf several undeserved lives. Kallis would never have moved to 3 recently when Amla's batting was off form. He should have been dropped instead of batted lower. These two things alone - Amla bending over backwards - prove beyond doubt that it's not so much his humility but certain characters forcing him into such decisionmaking. What kind of captain can think properly chasing every 3rd ball to the boundary...especially in this case when England batted forever and plundered the South African attack??? That was humiliating for Amla and he had enough. They would never have dared suggest Smith move from slips. Even suggesting that to Amla undermined him.
You're bloody disrespectful towards someone you purport to support I must say
 

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If he's not comfortable doing it, why force it any longer? I think everyone can see he's not a natural leader and there's nothing wrong with that.

Don't think AB is the answer either...if only Elgar had 30-40 tests behind him.
There's a difference between having leadership skills and a pure cricketing mind. Natural leadership skills won't do much if you can't out think your opponent. I'm not saying Amla has or doesn't have any of those, but I just wanted to point that out.
 

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There's a difference between having leadership skills and a pure cricketing mind. Natural leadership skills won't do much if you can't out think your opponent. I'm not saying Amla has or doesn't have any of those, but I just wanted to point that out.

I don't think you need to know too much anymore to captain, tbh...there is so much analysis going on off the field, the captain is not needed to generate cricketing wisdom. What he does need to do is inspire and provide a personality that other people rally around.

Biff is not a cricketing genius yet we had our most successful period under him...that should tell us something. Hashim is somewhat of an introvert...that's not good for captaincy.
 

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He's an extremely honorable man. He feels that the captaincy is impacting his batting and wants to re-focus his attention. I have huge respect for him and I hope he now goes on to score TONS of runs!!! It will be great to have the old Hash back!

Sorry no. Maybe he feels the captaincy prevented him from scoring 350.
I see it as jumping ship early in case we lose the 3rd test. Gutless decision from Amla mid tour.

Could also backfire on him if he gets a pair in Jhb.
 

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You're bloody disrespectful towards someone you purport to support I must say

Notice how he takes Amla's resignation and turns it into an opportunity to get on his anti-AB horse.

Outkast alternates riding his pro-Tsolekile / Tsotsobe horse with riding his anti-AB horse...at least his posts are predictable.
 
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