England tour to SA: 2015

Neoprod

Neoprod

Honorary Master
Joined
May 21, 2004
Messages
19,528
QdK: Hey, Ben - how's your mother? Is she doing anything later?
Ben Stokes: Don't think so, mate.
QdK: Oh cool, can she drive you over to my place for a play-date?
 
WaxLyrical

WaxLyrical

Honorary Master
Joined
Oct 20, 2011
Messages
25,353
MickeyD said:
He discussed his state of mind with the coach and some senior players two weeks ago. He told them that he was considering standing down after the second test. It was too close to the first test and the 2 days between the tests was not a good time to make his decision.
Click to expand...

So not a shock decision. Good.
 
pinball wizard

pinball wizard

Honorary Master
Joined
Feb 9, 2010
Messages
34,368
Mike Hoxbig said:
Only every interview he's ever done...
Click to expand...

Oh, and also he's a damn sight better than than someone like that misogynistic Gayle in an interview any second of the day.

edit: Not that it's a direct or fair comparison, but the game needs to move with the times.
 
Neoprod

Neoprod

Honorary Master
Joined
May 21, 2004
Messages
19,528
pinball wizard said:
Dunno who else will take the gloves, and everyone keeps talking about long term. Who else is there? Bavuma? His batting will crumble if he is the cap'n.

And more importantly, during this rebuilding (I don't like the word transition in this context) QdK can play and captain all three formats, which is what this team needs now.
Click to expand...

I'm putting my money on Elgar long-term....he's captained at various levels (SA under 19, SA A, provincial) and from his batting, you can see grit \ determination.

Two reservations - I haven't watched too many Titans games so I can't tell if he's actually a good captain and he hasn't played enough games at this level yet. But I think he's a solid possibility.
 
pinball wizard

pinball wizard

Honorary Master
Joined
Feb 9, 2010
Messages
34,368
Neoprod said:
I'm putting my money on Elgar long-term....he's captained at various levels (SA under 19, SA A, provincial) and from his batting, you can see grit \ determination.

Two reservations - I haven't watched too many Titans games so I can't tell if he's actually a good captain and he hasn't played enough games at this level yet. But I think he's a solid possibility.
Click to expand...

That's a fair contender. And a hell of a lot better than AB or faf.

Also I'm against a so-called stop-gap captain. The selection morons need to make a decision and stick with it for the next ten years kind of thing.
 
Mike Hoxbig

Mike Hoxbig

Honorary Master
Joined
Apr 25, 2010
Messages
43,328
pinball wizard said:
Emotion in an interview I don't mind. In fact it's refreshing to see. Not some mindless robot. It's how someone does in the field that is at stake here?
Click to expand...

pinball wizard said:
Oh, and also he's a damn sight better than than someone like that misogynistic Gayle in an interview any second of the day.

edit: Not that it's a direct or fair comparison, but the game needs to move with the times.
Click to expand...

Not sure if you understand what constitutes captaincy material mate. Every good leader needs a strong personality, someone with a thick skin, and an ability to get people to follow them. QdK has none of these traits. It's not just about on-field tactics. Take a look at Allan Border, Steve Waugh, Clive Lloyd, Graeme Smith and even all the way back to Bradman. For these guys, failure is not an option, nor would they tolerate any crap...
 
Seriously

Seriously

Honorary Master
Joined
Nov 29, 2012
Messages
16,596
Mike Hoxbig said:
Not sure if you understand what constitutes captaincy material mate. Every good leader needs a strong personality, someone with a thick skin, and an ability to get people to follow them. QdK has none of these traits. It's not just about on-field tactics. Take a look at Allan Border, Steve Waugh, Clive Lloyd, Graeme Smith and even all the way back to Bradman. For these guys, failure is not an option, nor would they tolerate any crap...
Click to expand...

Well put. Question is if AB is the same level? I think so but we need to see more prove.
 
pinball wizard

pinball wizard

Honorary Master
Joined
Feb 9, 2010
Messages
34,368
Mike Hoxbig said:
Not sure if you understand what constitutes captaincy material mate. Every good leader needs a strong personality, someone with a thick skin, and an ability to get people to follow them. QdK has none of these traits. It's not just about on-field tactics. Take a look at Allan Border, Steve Waugh, Clive Lloyd, Graeme Smith and even all the way back to Bradman. For these guys, failure is not an option, nor would they tolerate any crap...
Click to expand...

I know what a leader is. And you don't have to be a bully style one to be a good one.
I say that as you seem to select a particular style of captaincy, which isn't the only one that works. May I offer Michael Clarke as an example?
 
M

MyBBOutkast

Banned
Joined
Dec 4, 2015
Messages
396
Quit avoiding the issue via insinuations about me. Amla's removing himself frpm slip and fielding where captains almost never do, plus changing batting position when captains normally assign someone else to move makes no sense. To me these were both major major issues and I'm surprised they are viewed as non-events here. They point to something deeper. We choose to dwell on speculation, some vlearly getting otional over it, but don't comment on physical evidence developing in front of us. Amla was being dictate to. He didn't like being disrespected anymore.
 
Mike Hoxbig

Mike Hoxbig

Honorary Master
Joined
Apr 25, 2010
Messages
43,328
pinball wizard said:
I know what a leader is. And you don't have to be a bully style one to be a good one.
I say that as you seem to select a particular style of captaincy, which isn't the only one that works. May I offer Michael Clarke as an example?
Click to expand...

The guy who got into a dressing room brawl with his own teammate?

No I get your point, one doesn't need to be a bully, but they definitely need to be able to command respect. Not just from their teammates, but from the opposition and the general public. I just don't see this in QdK...
 
MickeyD

MickeyD

RIP
Joined
Oct 4, 2010
Messages
139,117
MyBBOutkast said:
Quit avoiding the issue via insinuations about me. Amla's removing himself frpm slip and fielding where captains almost never do, plus changing batting position when captains normally assign someone else to move makes no sense. To me these were both major major issues and I'm surprised they are viewed as non-events here. They point to something deeper. We choose to dwell on speculation, some vlearly getting otional over it, but don't comment on physical evidence developing in front of us. Amla was being dictate to. He didn't like being disrespected anymore.
Click to expand...

So you are still saying that he LIED in the press interview?
 
M

MyBBOutkast

Banned
Joined
Dec 4, 2015
Messages
396
MickeyD said:
So you are saying that Hashim LIED at the press conference?
Click to expand...
Through his teeth. You don't say the things Amla said when he got the captaincy then resign ahead of or midway through the Proteas' biggest Series since his appointment. Read what he said when he was named captain, and you'll know that what he said now is rubbish and a huge contradiction in comparison. Cook has endured worse with his batting form, fan abuse, analysts, celebrities, peers, former greats etc, you name it but stuck it out. Their personalities are the same. Both guys laid back&humble. Look at Cook now. leading arguably the #1 Test side. Amla throwing in the towel like that,knowing AB's captancy is suspect, plus other batsmen besides Elgar off colour? Injury ravaged, against England? Does not correlate!
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top