England tour to SA: 2015

[pinball wizard]

So you do not know him personally, maybe just met him by chance even?

Nope. So who here has?

 

[AfricanTech]

OMG.

You know him personally and vouch for his principles?

He wears a beard and says he's a muslim. I saw Hansie pray to his God on the field many times.

What was your point again?

Just because Hansie let everyone down doesn't mean that there aren't people out there who do indeed stick to their principles.

My point is that people who say outright that he lied about his reasons for retiring the captaincy are deeply disrespectful of a man with deep principles and strength of character.

 

[pinball wizard]

Just because Hansie let everyone down doesn't mean that there aren't people out there who do indeed stick to their principles.

My point is that people who say outright that he lied about his reasons for retiring the captaincy are deeply disrespectful of a man with deep principles and strength of character.

Fair enough, but let's base our faith in his principles on more than his beard and professed religion?
Which is why I made the Hansie reference, cause he also portrayed himself as pious and devout...

 

[Seriously]

Nope. So who here has?

problem settled then.

 

[AfricanTech]

OMG.

You know him personally and vouch for his principles?

He wears a beard and says he's a muslim. I saw Hansie pray to his God on the field many times.

What was your point again?

/considers...

/declines

This is but an internet forum and I choose to share only as much as I am comfortable with about who I do and do not know in real life.

 

[WaxLyrical]

and you have of course played cricket under those conditions and known with 100% certainty that you got the finest of nicks on the ball.

Amla is renowned for 'walking'

http://sportzwiki.com/cricket/a-great-display-of-sportsmanship-by-hashim-amla

Fine nick that everyone heard but hey even he can make "mistakes"

 

[pinball wizard]

problem settled then.

I agree. Peter and Gary to open the batting and the ghost of Hansie to captain the team from below.

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

Just because Hansie let everyone down doesn't mean that there aren't people out there who do indeed stick to their principles.

My point is that people who say outright that he lied about his reasons for retiring the captaincy are deeply disrespectful of a man with deep principles and strength of character.

While we're on Hansie, he may have been corrupt but he was tactically excellent. His record was very good, and you can't rig a game to win without the approval of the other team. One has to wonder how much better we could have been if he was an honest man...

 

[pinball wizard]

/considers...

/declines

This is but an internet forum and I choose to share only as much as I am comfortable with about who I do and do not know in real life.

Ok, so you don't know him.

Or you do, but do not choose to stand behind your assertions.

Ok then. Pointless is pointless. As in your post quoted here is pointless.

 

[pinball wizard]

Well, it was enjoyable cricket fans. Wait, you are all fans of the game right? Win or lose for the team you support, you are fans of the game here?

Anywho. G'night.

 

[AfricanTech]

Fine nick that everyone heard but hey even he can make "mistakes"

Funny, hey, the cricinfo commentary reads

6.5

NLTC Perera to Amla, no run, big appeal from Sangakkara, but not much interest from many others, including the umpire. Short of a length, wide of the stumps. Amla tries to cut, but again it beats his top edge. Don't think there was anything there

http://www.espncricinfo.com/world-t20/engine/match/682923.html?innings=1;view=commentary

Take your agenda somewhere else you fraud.

 

[AfricanTech]

While we're on Hansie, he may have been corrupt but he was tactically excellent. His record was very good, and you can't rig a game to win without the approval of the other team. One has to wonder how much better we could have been if he was an honest man...

+1

Hansie was a brilliant captain.

 

[AfricanTech]

Fair enough, but let's base our faith in his principles on more than his beard and professed religion?
Which is why I made the Hansie reference, cause he also portrayed himself as pious and devout...

I do base my view on his principles on more than his beard - I threw the beard in for the ITK's - it is in fact something that I believed was detrimental to him in his role (but that's another discussion and one I won't have here).

 

[Neoprod]

Lol. You probably never played cricket before. As a captain, you need to constantly think about the state of the match, what you could do differently and at times concocting a few plans. Yes, you do a considerable amount before the match, but you cannot account for all situations and sometimes you have to be creative enough to strategise in the moment. There are several parts to captaincy. Leadership (inspiring etc) is one; having a great cricketing mind is another. You cannot seriously suggest you don't need to know much about being a captain in order to be a captain.

I agree with your take on Hashim, though. A captain needs to be outspoken and the source of inspiration.

I have actually...just to senior level at high school though which is neither here nor there.

Yes, it would be fantastic to have Brendon McCullum come over and captain our team but we've never had a captain like that and we've done well without it. Our successful captains are by the book hardmen and it's worked because we've been blessed with alot of talent over the years. Plan A tended to work more often than not.

Going by how often cricketers run on and off the field nowadays and the little chats on the boundary line, I'd say alot of the planning and plotting happens off the field.

 

[Seriously]

I agree. Peter and Gary to open the batting and the ghost of Hansie to captain the team from below.

Exquisite Oos Rand/Boksburg trolling.

/joke

 

[Stefanmuller]

I'm not sure if Amla said it or not (I think he did) or if it was Holding and the commentators, but you dont have to be captain on paper to play a role in decision making. At the moment the guys always on camera deliberating in the middle seems to be AB, Faf, Morkel and Steyn. So "captaincy" seems to be within that group of players. I am not a super fan of Faf as captain, because in my mind a captain needs to be either the best player in the team or an automatic pick. The latter seems to be the case with Faf, not necessarily because of form and absolute stats, but it is clear that the team feels he is a senior player and key member (as long as AB plays Faf will be in the team). But if I was a debutant in the team, the first guy I would ask advice from is AB, second would be Steyn. AB is likely to play longer so the job should go to him. QdK can be next, but has to be groomed for the next 2 years for that to materialise.

 

[MickeyD]

Through his teeth. You don't say the things Amla said when he got the captaincy then resign ahead of or midway through the Proteas' biggest Series since his appointment. Read what he said when he was named captain, and you'll know that what he said now is rubbish and a huge contradiction in comparison. Cook has endured worse with his batting form, fan abuse, analysts, celebrities, peers, former greats etc, you name it but stuck it out. Their personalities are the same. Both guys laid back&humble. Look at Cook now. leading arguably the #1 Test side. Amla throwing in the towel like that,knowing AB's captancy is suspect, plus other batsmen besides Elgar off colour? Injury ravaged, against England? Does not correlate!

I challenge you to go to the Wanderers and to tell Hashim that to his face.

Personally I think you are trolling to drive your own little agenda and to gauge the reactions. Sorry but I don't play your games.

 

[AirWolf]

Next game:

Elgar
Amla
AB
Faf
Bavuma
De Kock
Morris
Steyn
Piedt
Rabada
Morkel

 

[MickeyD]

^ Amla does not open the batting.

 

[AirWolf]

^ Amla does not open the batting.

I thought about that one, with SvZ, Amla might as well have been opening.
Also, I'm liking the 4 man pace attack, especially with Morris being an asset in the batting and fielding.