Eskom’s biggest power plant has broken pollution equipment

[TooFastTim]

First world problems like people dying from pollution ?

First keep the lights on then worry about people karking from the miasma.

Europe faced the same problem 150 years ago. They had the infrastructure to begin attacking the problem then but they're still working on it. SA is facing a very much more contracted problem. First world pollution expectations and third world power supply problems.

You can't have it both ways. You can't have cheap and plentiful power without pollution (this was the gist of India and China refusing to sign the initial Kyoto agreement) nor can you afford the alternative.

 

[daveza]

That's easy to say if you don't live in the fallout zone.

 

[TysonRoux]

First keep the lights on then worry about people karking from the miasma.

Europe faced the same problem 150 years ago. They had [they invested and built] the infrastructure to begin attacking the problem then but they're still working on it. SA is facing a very much more contracted problem. First world pollution expectations and third world power supply problems.

You can't have it both ways. You can't have cheap and plentiful power without pollution (this was the gist of India and China refusing to sign the initial Kyoto agreement) nor can you afford the alternative.

BS

EKSDOM has not progressed and improved the emissions levels as per their commitment, plus they have through lack of maintenance gone backwards with emissions.

Your comparison to the EU - the EU did not go backwards, they progressed and continuously improve and tighten the emissions limits.

It is not through the lack of funds that EKSDOM cannot meet their emissions targets, its theft of funds, corruption, embezzlement, ineptitude, ...........

 

[TooFastTim]

BS

EKSDOM has not progressed and improved the emissions levels as per their commitment, plus they have through lack of maintenance gone backwards with emissions.

Your comparison to the EU - the EU did not go backwards, they progressed and continuously improve and tighten the emissions limits.

It is not through the lack of funds that EKSDOM cannot meet their emissions targets, its theft of funds, corruption, embezzlement, ineptitude, ...........

Guys, you have a choice. Hammer Eskom on emissions and have the lights switched off or leave the emissions thing alone and MAYBE have the lights switched off. Your call. No longer my circus. And no longer my monkeys.

 

[TooFastTim]

Your comparison to the EU - the EU did not go backwards, they progressed and continuously improve and tighten the emissions limits.

You're not in the EU. You're not in the US. You can't draw a reasonable comparison here. First get the basics right.

 

[TysonRoux]

You're not in the EU. You're not in the US. You can't draw a reasonable comparison here. First get the basics right.

It is YOU that compared SA to the EU, and maintaining equipment is NOT a first world wonder, its a simple requirement.
It is reasonable to expect basic maintenance is done, even in third world countries.

The emission control equipment on Kendal PS was installed when the station was built in the mid eighties, and been out of service poisoning the environment since early 2018 due to neglect/lack of maintenance.

I agree, give EKSDOM a break on increasing their emission control measures, to which they committed, but hold them to account when it comes to maintaining the existing equipment.

 

[pedruid]

Just think of the disastrous affects of nuclear.

 

[TooFastTim]

It is YOU that compared SA to the EU, and maintaining equipment is NOT a first world wonder, its a simple requirement.

It was I that introduced that comparison. Mea culpa.

I emission control equipment on Kendal PS was installed when the station was built in the mid eighties, and been out of service poisoning the environment since early 2018 due to neglect/lack of maintenance.

I agree, give EKSDOM a break on increasing their emission control measures, to which they committed, but hold them to account when it comes to maintaining the existing equipment.

Given the choice between providing 'leccy to the majority of the people and, hopefully, keeping some employed and maintaining the primary generators (pardon the poor pun here) what would you choose?

 

[TysonRoux]

Given the choice between providing 'leccy to the majority of the people and, hopefully, keeping some employed and maintaining the primary generators (pardon the poor pun here) what would you choose?

Simply perform maintenance on the existing emission control equipment and you'll have power generation without poisoning everything - that's what I would chose.

Let's not BS that there's no money for maintenance.

 

[TooFastTim]

Let's not BS that there's no money for maintenance.

Apparently there is not.

 

[TysonRoux]

Apparently there is not.

There is money, but the looting, over staffing, corruption, ineptitude, ...... makes little money available for maintenance, but CR and Pravin are changing that.

If you've resigned yourself to the idea that there's no money for maintenance, have you also resigned yourself to the thought that there's no hope that CR can turn the corruption around?

 

[TooFastTim]

have you also resigned yourself to the thought that there's no hope that CR can turn the corruption around?

Yes. Show me one prosecution.

 

[DreamKing]

PS: the video has nothing to do with algeria and tunisia, start from 3:25

 

[TysonRoux]

Yes. Show me one prosecution.

Would you be just as accepting if road maintenance was stopped?

Yes, we know road maintenance is crap, but would it be acceptable if it stopped?

 

[TooFastTim]

Would you be just as accepting if road maintenance was stopped?

Yes, we know road maintenance is crap, but would it be acceptable if it stopped?

You have argued my point. Thank you.

 

[Happy Days]

The reason why the supply of power to paying customers is so unreliable, is the same reason why the useless cnuts don't have working emissions control equipment, lack of maintenance and forward planning, .... not a case of "damned if they do and damned if they don't".

You missed my point. Not arguing about the reasons for the pollution and the subsequent results thereof... merely that Eskom doesn't have the money to fix the problems. Should Eskom divert funds to fix one problem it means less money for something else. Regardless of what they do, they're screwed!

EDIT: At this point there's simply no money (yes, yes, the money was stolen blah blah blah) and the lack of maintenance has snowballed to an unmanageable problem.

 

[access]

no ****.

then caltex at tableview/milnerton dumps their pollution into the air in the early hours of the morning too. blackens the sky.

 

[TysonRoux]

So easy to make promises..............

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In a nation that’s become used to operating in the shadows, sometimes even the mention of sunlight can be met with disbelief. But sunlight is what President Cyril Ramaphosa offered in his pledge to UN secretary-general Antonio Guterres during the climate summit in New York — R160-billion worth, for a plan that could turn the Mpumalanga coalfields into one of the largest renewable energy generators on Earth.

f there’s any reason to believe that we’re about to embark on a massive industrialisation drive, a project that will drastically reduce our carbon emissions and deliver long-term energy security, it’s that the economic alternatives are too dark to contemplate.

For a moment it was light, then it was dark again. On 24 September 2019, when most South Africans were embracing the public holiday as a welcome relief from the news, President Cyril Ramaphosa sent a statement to United Nations secretary-general Antonio Guterres that may have been the best news of the year. The pledge, South Africa’s core submission to the UN Climate Action Summit in New York, made reference to an $11-billion renewables funding facility that would represent “the largest climate finance transaction” the world had ever seen. Two days later, all mention of the deal had been excised from the government’s online version of the statement.

None of the inside sources approached by Daily Maverick were willing to say why, but speculation from a less-connected source was that the deal’s “ownership” was still being worked out — whose plan it was, in other words, and how it would be presented to the South African public.

It was an explanation that made sense, mainly because a Bloomberg report published the week before had cited Meridian Economics, a Cape Town-based consultancy, as the brains behind the initiative. This wasn’t just bad optics; allegedly, it also wasn’t true.

 

[Packer]

What "first world problems", ......... emissions control?

My take-away was it’s a much wider problem than emissions control, but to remain on topic only emissions control was highlighted.