Eskom ‘vulnerable’ with breakdowns over 13,000MW – but no load shedding planned

ambroseg1

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13,000MW ? According to THIS they have in a perfect world 37,745MW total capacity. So more than a third offline? :laugh: :ROFL:
 

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They (we) are being saved because the demand is so low and all the industries are closed for the holidays.

Edit: See they state that in the article too. Sorry.
 

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Good thing everything breaks now, because that's the only time they fix things. And it's not so much needed now.
 

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So, what is the cutoff percentage?
Or are the new rules thus:

Rule 1: There shall be no Load Shedding, the President said so.
Rule 2: we have reached a third of our capacity out of action, LS must be implemented.
Rule 3: if Rule 2 applies, refer to rule 1.
 

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So, what is the cutoff percentage?
Or are the new rules thus:

Rule 1: There shall be no Load Shedding, the President said so.
Rule 2: we have reached a third of our capacity out of action, LS must be implemented.
Rule 3: if Rule 2 applies, refer to rule 1.
As a technically minded person (you imagine yourself as such at least, or else you'd not dish other peoples technical work), you will realize you only apply constraint (aka loadshedding) to supply when demand actually exceeds supply, this is not happening at this time, so no need to loadshed. When you are on on the cruise ship you do not ration your water intake, only when you are in the lifeboat because the cruise ship sank.
 

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Well the point is exactly that. The public and those reporting on this whole business are very confused by the supposed inconsistencies in how Eskom goes about deciding on LS or not.
That is why I posted the question.
The whole story and how it works has not been well explained leaving many confused as to what happens and what triggers LS.
Obviously, there are other factors at play which have not been explained too well.
And where is the aggression coming from?
 

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And as an aside. The LS schedule for Tshwane still refers to 2018 after the server replacement and backup restore ......
 

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It looks like that sure. It is however a perception we have. Created by very poor information flow into a society totally tuned into creating sensationalist nonsense out of anything.
 

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Well the point is exactly that. The public and those reporting on this whole business are very confused by the supposed inconsistencies in how Eskom goes about deciding on LS or not.
That is why I posted the question.
The whole story and how it works has not been well explained leaving many confused as to what happens and what triggers LS.
Obviously, there are other factors at play which have not been explained too well.
And where is the aggression coming from?
Loadshedding happens when supply cannot meet demand, nothing else, the decision is as simple as that. There is no clearer explanation than that needed.

Go drive in any corporate park and industrial area, the parking lots are basically empty, Demand for electricity is much lower now than last week since many industries already closed last Friday, so no need for loadshedding.

Why supply is low, well, overstaffed Eskom spending money on salaries instead of maintenance and losing money to corruption and whatever.

The aggression is from you dishing others technical work ("low quality fibre technicians") while being very incorrect about other technical things yourself ("auto cars will bolt forward wildly"), I just don't like it. Use logic and there is no need for you to be confused about why there is or isn't loadshedding at this time, "Eskom can meet demand, so need to curtail supply to customers. Why? Because the biggest power consumers are closed. Why? Because last half of December."
 

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You are missing the point here. Even today's news broadcasts are very confusing. Not once has Eskom mentioned anything about the demand being lower than "normal" today. Yet, they are asking users to use sparingly?
Just have a look on social media to all the comments currently raging.
Instead Eskom should go and take some lessons about how to communicate with the public. They can quite easily do that by simply normalising the demand side, showing that in relation to supply and then show the difference and show how it is the difference between the two that will determine whether LS is implemented or not.
Based simply on the previously reported 9 400 MW loss cut off, we should be experiencing load shedding.

The explanations on the Eskom site are actually pretty good but none of that is being read and the news people will have nothing to report if they don't sensationalise whatever they get.
Right now SOEs and their performance is just an easy target.
 
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It's been sitting around the 13000mw loss for about 3 days now.
 

Geoff.D

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Doesn't Eskom traditionally use this time of the year for planned maintenance?
So no one should be surprised if more units are off line. The killer is units that now fail while others are off line.
The issue remains as has already been posted somewhere, that Eskom has failed dismally in increasing the base capacity available and handled the obsolescence of older units. That is where constraint comes from.
Us ordinary plebs are going to feel it after the holidays almost 100% certain.
 
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