Eskom answers questions about Nersa's solar power user tariff plans and grid connection fees

[Vrotappel]

Lol. I guess you didn’t pick out an annual report at random and want to believe in the existence of the white unicorn the apartheid government supposedly was

How about looking at a report that covers the last 80 years?

 

[TheunsHill]

Please keep in mind, that not all solar installations rely on only solar panels during a full 24 hour day, some of us also have battery storage facility for our solar systems. Use battery backup system to feed house at night when sun is not shining. Some of the users even ad a timer for geyser to switch on only during the day time from the grid not to overload grid at night. My thoughts.

 

[mypetcow]

How about looking at a report that covers the last 80 years?

Nice report. Thanks!

 

[richjdavies]

Dont worry the city of its Cape Town with its Bylaws will slap you with soo many rules about using solar panels, you will just give up. I know of a user that can run 10MW or power but limited by the City to only 1MW

Nope. That was national government. NERSA lets you generate 1MW without having to be a licensed generator. That also changed a few months back.
(Edit sorry, someone else said it!)

But following on... The whole "but apartheid gov didn't give power to black people". Can't disagree, but just remember Eskom isn't just providing power to homes, it's actually mainly providing to industry. (Below is 2018) So yes you could double that residential block and it wouldn't move the pie hugely.

 

[itareanlnotani]

Nope. That was national government. NERSA lets you generate 1MW without having to be a licensed generator. That also changed a few months back.
(Edit sorry, someone else said it!)

But following on... The whole "but apartheid gov didn't give power to black people". Can't disagree, but just remember Eskom isn't just providing power to homes, it's actually mainly providing to industry. (Below is 2018) So yes you could double that residential block and it wouldn't move the pie hugely.

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I'm only called 'someone else' now? Gee thanks Rich

 

[Paul_S]

But following on... The whole "but apartheid gov didn't give power to black people". Can't disagree, but just remember Eskom isn't just providing power to homes, it's actually mainly providing to industry. (Below is 2018) So yes you could double that residential block and it wouldn't move the pie hugely.

The whole Eskom didn't give power to black people under apartheid is not entirely true and is a point which ANC apologists love to throw about because it makes our current power issues appear to be apartheid's fault which is far from the truth.

In 1994 60.8% of the population had access to electricity and Eskom was already busy with a strong drive to get people connected regardless of skin colour while still under apartheid rule. That has since grown to around 85%.

Percentage of population connected to Eskom/municipalities:


So between 1994 and 2018/19 Eskom connected around 25% more of the total population.
We can thus assume that electricity generation requirements for residential areas would have increased by around 25%. It should be lower though as people have been switching to energy saving devices like LED/CFL instead of the old 60 and 100W light bulbs but lets leave that out of the argument for now.

If residential energy consumption increased by 25% in the past 20+ years then how does that explain that Eskom's energy availability factor is now less than it was under apartheid? The two are not even the same argument. Eskom is not able to generate as much electricity now than 20+ years ago so how is that apartheid's fault? Eskom was clearly doing better under apartheid than under the ANC.

Apartheid despite all it's wrongs clearly knew how to run SOEs efficiently. The ANC and connected cadres (Zuma, Koko, Guptas, patronage networks, etc.) caused this issue fair and square. Not apartheid.

 

[Danie_V]

Do the people of Cape Town demand refunds on the connection charge every time there is loadshedding? After all, during loadshedding you are being disconnected from the network

Not heard any demands around that, mainly because the non-supply is no fault of the City (no negligence on their part), and the cost is really to maintain that connection cable. We pay separately for actual usage, which is zero while the power is off. And to be fair to Cape Town, we are generally always one stage of load shedding lighter, through their efforts to efficiently manage the hydro power that we have.

 

[RiaX]

F em. Put a prepaid meter and don't feed the grid they will never be able to bill you.

That's what I did

 

[Paul_S]

F em. Put a prepaid meter and don't feed the grid they will never be able to bill you.

That's what I did

Until they manage to introduce a fixed "service availability" charge on prepaid like JHB and Tshwane have been trying to do for the past few years.

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

Until they manage to introduce a fixed "service availability" charge on prepaid like JHB and Tshwane have been trying to do for the past few years.

That's cool, then they'll have to do it to everyone. Which is more likely to piss everyone off and not just solar users...

 

[Benedict A55h0le]

That's cool, then they'll have to do it to everyone. Which is more likely to piss everyone off and not just solar users...

Why will they have to do it to everyone? Indigents get no levy, non-solar gets the levy at the normal Eskom rate, and solar houses gets the levy at the solar tariff (x10 as per Nersa`s suggestion for now, much higher in the future)

 

[Speedster]

Why will they have to do it to everyone? Indigents get no levy, non-solar gets the levy at the normal Eskom rate, and solar houses gets the levy at the solar tariff (x10 as per Nersa`s suggestion for now, much higher in the future)

Have you got a link to nersa's suggestion?

 

[RiaX]

Until they manage to introduce a fixed "service availability" charge on prepaid like JHB and Tshwane have been trying to do for the past few years.

whats that?

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

Why will they have to do it to everyone? Indigents get no levy, non-solar gets the levy at the normal Eskom rate, and solar houses gets the levy at the solar tariff (x10 as per Nersa`s suggestion for now, much higher in the future)

Their reasoning is when the sun goes down, demand from solar users increases the load on the grid. They did not factor in those who use batteries to get through the night.

Also supplementary loads occur throughout the day, not just at peak hours when the sun goes down.

So how do they factually determine all this? How they determine who are solar users? Who has batteries installed? And what the patterns are for these users in terms of grid draw?

 

[Lupus]

Their reasoning is when the sun goes down, demand from solar users increases the load on the grid. They did not factor in those who use batteries to get through the night.

Also supplementary loads occur throughout the day, not just at peak hours when the sun goes down.

So how do they factually determine all this? How they determine who are solar users? Who has batteries installed? And what the patterns are for these users in terms of grid draw?

Because they are idiots... They don't realise that most people with solar aren't grid-tied but hybrid, we're not only doing it to cheapen our usage during the day to be removed from them.

 

[Paul_S]

whats that?

This nonsense:

Johannesburg plans to add ‘extra’ electricity charge to bills: Outa – BusinessTech

businesstech.co.za

AfriForum halts planned tariff increases for Tshwane Metro - AfriForum

The Tshwane Metro may not continue with the implementation of its new electricity tariff increases as presented to the National Energy Regulator of South Africa (Nersa). This follows after the civil rights organisation AfriForum requested in a letter from its legal team that Nersa does not...

afriforum.co.za

 

[RiaX]

This nonsense:

Johannesburg plans to add ‘extra’ electricity charge to bills: Outa – BusinessTech

businesstech.co.za

AfriForum halts planned tariff increases for Tshwane Metro - AfriForum

The Tshwane Metro may not continue with the implementation of its new electricity tariff increases as presented to the National Energy Regulator of South Africa (Nersa). This follows after the civil rights organisation AfriForum requested in a letter from its legal team that Nersa does not...

afriforum.co.za

time to make friends with the okes with the blue key

 

[Username:]

time to make friends with the okes with the blue key

What is the blue key?

 

[Benedict A55h0le]

Have you got a link to nersa's suggestion?

South Africans with solar panels could pay 1,000% more for electricity than big power users

Nersa has a plan that will see solar users who still rely on Eskom when sunlight is sparse pay much more expensive electricity tariffs linked to the cost of generating electricity using the utility’s emergency diesel-powered units.

mybroadband.co.za

 

[Benedict A55h0le]

Besides solar houses being placed into a much higher rate paying category, they will also have the fixed levy specially for grid-tied solar. Going grid-tied/hybrid is a very bad idea, the socialist system needs sustenance and the haves are the ones to provide that: https://mybroadband.co.za/news/ener...n-if-they-dont-use-our-electricity-eskom.html