Eskom criticises Nersa's plan to charge solar users 5x-10x higher prices than mines

[mypetcow]

Serious question, how must would it cost to run a 12KVA diesel genny at 50% load for 24/7? Ballpark is fine.

https://www.turnermorris.co.za/product/prime-standby-generators-assembled-in-rsa/

The SDG13PS is a12.5 kVA that goes through 5.5l/h @ 80%...so probably somewhere around 3.5l/h @ 50%.

So running it for 24/7 is a little pricey...but I guess if you have R80,000 to spend on it in the first place the diesel cost is a non-issue.

24h * 3.5l/h = 84l/day --> +-R20/litre diesel cost = R1,680/day...give or take a few hundred.

 

[Magnum]

Instead of going after the bastards that are NOT paying and/or have illegal connections, it seems as if they are trying to make up this shortfall from people that are trying to make a difference.
F**king t***s!!

The people or rather users that are capable of paying for Electricity are the ones currently getting solar. Every guy that adds solar or goes Off grid diminishes the Paying pool.

Only the Non payers will stay Connected eventually. Eskom is in trouble. After today my Solar installation is 50% done. This will be a full off grid system And I don't feed back.

 

[quovadis]

Can someone show me a residential customer paying the current tariffs listed under 1200kwhs/month?

 

[porchrat]

Can someone show me a residential customer paying the current tariffs listed under 1200kwhs/month?

I'm on one of those prepaid meters direct with Eskom. I'm in that "600kWh/m" category. I don't get anything close to that rate when I purchase electricity.

R750 will get me maybe 2/3rds of what that chart claims.

 

[Herr der Verboten]

Eskom slams plan to punish solar power users with 1,000% higher prices than mines

Eskom has slammed the National Energy Regulator of South Africa (Nersa) principles document on electricity supply prices that could see solar panel users pay up to ten times more for electricity than the country's biggest power consumers.

The principle document is supposed to form the basis of a radical new electricity pricing methodology that the regulator wants to implement for Eskom's tariff applications from the next financial year (2023/2024).

Eskom pulling a Raban?
*oh look at us we are white knighting for you guys, but don't look over there*

 

[Swa]

**** off. There's no evidence solar is being used. I see more people mounting it at the back side or even on the ground where it can be hidden.

 

[Swa]

Just because you invested in ample storage, doesn't mean the average solar will follow your lead. That's wishful thinking.

More wishful thinking: The authorities will invest in smart meters and then encourage solar. That will be an incentive for people with large electric appliances like geysers and ovens to run them during the day.

Most likely scenario is future where load shedding happens every day from sunset to 8 pm.

It does not matter. Eskom implements loadshedding to save power. If users can save power during off peak periods that saving can be used to offset usage during peak times. It's a win for Eskom no matter how you look at it.

 

[Paul_S]

It seems most people are missing the point. This is about keeping the paying customers paying when they try to go the solar route. Municipalities, NERSA and the ANC are scared of the outcome. It's about keeping the voters happy - nothing else.

Eskom practically points it out:
"Nersa holds that this load profile should not be “socialised” as it would “cynically” transfer price pressures to poor households who can’t afford self-generation."

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

Eskom practically points it out:
"Nersa holds that this load profile should not be “socialised” as it would “cynically” transfer price pressures to poor households who can’t afford self-generation."

Good. About time they pay for what they vote for. They're directly responsible for the schit we're in.

/inb4 how do you know who the poor voted for...

 

[Paul_S]

Good. About time they pay for what they vote for. They're directly responsible for the schit we're in.

/inb4 how do you know who the poor voted for...

I couldn't agree more but I'd also add the poor who have voter appathy and don't even bother trying to use their vote for change.

If we sort out the leadership we may actually grow the economy so that people will have jobs and they'll be able to pay for the services they consume.

 

[supersunbird]

Nonetheless a meme.

Solar panels are terribly inefficient. There is a reason we mount them at specific angles.

More or less inefficient than Eskom and Nersa?

 

[Paul_S]

Further proof that this is about money and keeping the voters happy.

Households generating electricity by any means, including solar panels, that allows them to go off the grid would also be required to pay a standby fee, according to the Act.

Government wants to force people who generate electricity through solar to pay up | The Citizen

The draft legislation is in limbo as there has been no movement on it since January, when the window for public comments closed.

www.citizen.co.za

Yes, that's right. NERSA want even the off grid solar PV users to pay a standby fee.

 

[The Darkness]

Surely it’s pricing discrimination is covered in the CPA? You should be allowed to purchase a product in a fair, non discriminatory fashion. There should be no way that because one has panels therefore you should pay more for grid power. Power supply should be just that, a standard unit cost, regardless of the user. Surely this should be contested in court.

 

[konfab]

More or less inefficient than Eskom and Nersa?

Less.

Just get normal panels.

 

[dualmeister]

3. ???? - Sell excess to Eskom during peak

You trust them to pay you?

 

[noxibox]

Further proof that this is about money and keeping the voters happy.

Government wants to force people who generate electricity through solar to pay up | The Citizen

The draft legislation is in limbo as there has been no movement on it since January, when the window for public comments closed.

www.citizen.co.za

Yes, that's right. NERSA want even the off grid solar PV users to pay a standby fee.

They'd have to have something like that if they're trying offload the costs onto the people who currently buy electricity because dramatically increasing the price for electricity would make battery backed solar an obvious choice for those people.

 

[CTPC]

NERSA looks like thay don't understand anything logic, never mind electricity.
Reading the members, CV's. I wonder how much is for real and what's it got to do with energy anyway ?
Looks just like ECSA, just another breeding nest of incompetent Cader deployment.

 

[system32]

Just because you invested in ample storage, doesn't mean the average solar will follow your lead. That's wishful thinking.

More wishful thinking: The authorities will invest in smart meters and then encourage solar. That will be an incentive for people with large electric appliances like geysers and ovens to run them during the day.

Most likely scenario is future where load shedding happens every day from sunset to 8 pm.

In ZA, most home solar is packages with batteries because:

• Load Shedding - you need batteries
• Batteries reduce payback period over a pure solar only system.

If Government/Metro was interested, they would:

• Reduce bureaucracy required to grid feed (most homes don't bother because of this)
• Cancel net-zero rules to allow homes to make a profit - tied with peak feed-in incentives which would require a battery
• Give Government/Metro rebate incentives to have a battery

 

[noxibox]

NERSA used to be the defender of the consumer. They blocked Eskom's attempts to gouge the consumer to make up for their inability to produce and sell sufficient electricity. Now we have Eskom trying to block NERSA's attempts to gouge the consumer. So what has happened to them?

 

[Corelli]

Instead of going after the bastards that are NOT paying and/or have illegal connections, it seems as if they are trying to make up this shortfall from people that are trying to make a difference.
F**king t***s!!

But this has always been the case.

Thats why they target the middle class more with higher taxes.

With the new Living Wage, how to fund it they believe is affordable...LETS JUST TAX THE MIDDLE CLASS MORE THEY SAY.