Eskom criticises Nersa's plan to charge solar users 5x-10x higher prices than mines

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Best way to fix Eskom is to start installing solar on all roofing across SA, so people can generate electricity which can be stored and used elsewhere in SA when needed.

But it looks like NERSA is getting a fat bonus from ESKOM so they dont want this. People would have no real need for NERSA either, as there would be less loadshedding, etc.
 

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Best way to fix Eskom is to start installing solar on all roofing across SA, so people can generate electricity which can be stored and used elsewhere in SA when needed.

But it looks like NERSA is getting a fat bonus from ESKOM so they dont want this. People would have no real need for NERSA either, as there would be less loadshedding, etc.

How does your suggestion "fix" Eskom? and who will pay for the solar, and the storage you so blithely mention?

and how would the lack of NERSA equate to less loadshedding?
 

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How does your suggestion "fix" Eskom? and who will pay for the solar, and the storage you so blithely mention?

and how would the lack of NERSA equate to less loadshedding?
It's not the lack of NERSA that needs to be address, it's the lack of competition.

It's pointless having a regulator who regulates over essentially one energy provider. It's Telkom/ICASA all over again...
 

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It's not the lack of NERSA that needs to be address, it's the lack of competition.

It's pointless having a regulator who regulates over essentially one energy provider. It's Telkom/ICASA all over again...

100% agree, but I'm trying to get him to expand on his points, because they make zero sense, or are a complete misunderstanding of the reality that is at play.
 

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There they go again. The solar sector is helping our dwindling economy, created thousands of job and entrepreneurs. No you want to shut this down? With those electricity prices, it wont be economical anyway to get solar, so the Solar industry will take a massive knock. PS Solar users are helping Eskom at peak times, not draining them. Who are these idiots writing these proposals? So they would prefer that I pull 100% from the grid at peak times, rather than only 0-10%??? Boggles the mind. They should be promoting solar, not condoning it. Which makes it obvious that someone is worried that their cookie-jar goes empty...
 

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So guys hear me out. I have an idea that might just work to make the people who have more money then sense finance the energy transition for us while the rest of us keep paying high but also somewhat reasonable rates.

What if Eskom increased the cost and kWh threshold of the last bracket or made a new one altogether. Anyone on a residential tariff, not a business, not a body corporate, or land rate or mega flex or anything else. Just the residential tariff. What if Eskom said that to whoever uses more than say 3000kWh a month, i.e. is right now paying in the region of R6000-R7500 a month would have to pay something like R5.00/kWh for every unit above 3000kWh?

It would kind of be in line with mainland European electricity pricing (Austria, Germany, Italy) and plus if you can afford a monthly electricity bill of R6k - R7.5k what’s a few hundred Rand or a grand here or there for you anyway?

This way the middle class essentially pays nothing more and the people who are wealthy just pay a little more. I guess it’s a little tax on the rich for an insane amount of energy used a month to run the pool, the geysers, 3 cottages, tennis court floodlights, jacuzzi, sauna, etc. etc.

I mean 3000 units a month is quite a bit.

Either way they’re going to lose the rich people anyway as these are the ones who will be in a position to afford a solar system first so might as well make the most of it while they’re still consuming a lot of electricity.

Just a thought….
 

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And this is the crap thinking that Nersa and Eskom use.

1. The meters being rolled out currently even the prepaid are not that smart currently. They will have to reroll out to EVERYONE again. Also to feed in you need one of the more expensive invertors.

2. Most solar systems have to have SOME storage. There are only a few invertors, and they are more expensive, that do not have to have a storage option. All of the cheaper Voltaic versions, which the majority of solutions install to keep costs down, require normally 100 to 200ah of storage which will take them past the peak period.
 
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The people or rather users that are capable of paying for Electricity are the ones currently getting solar. Every guy that adds solar or goes Off grid diminishes the Paying pool.

Only the Non payers will stay Connected eventually. Eskom is in trouble. After today my Solar installation is 50% done. This will be a full off grid system And I don't feed back.

So how will you stop them still charging you connection/network charges ?

Because I think that they will try to do this (R800pm in Joburg).
 

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Does that actually work ?

And what does it cost to convert ? And can I use my R3000 electricity deposit for that conversion ?
Yep it works. Prepaid rate is higher which makes up for the network charge, but it's a moot point if you're mostly off grid.

Around 2k through a middle man. Not sure how much to do it directly with CoJ but I didn't have the patience to find out...
 

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Am I missing something - why do those who generate their own power from solar need to pay Eskom ?
 

mypetcow

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Because the sun doesn’t always shine as much as you need it to. Clouds, rain and the time of day affect solar output.

A cloud sitting between your solar panels and the sun at midday could reduce their output by 80%. If you want to boil the kettle or you need more power than the solar system can provide at that moment in time you’re going to need Eskom for the difference.

You could get a battery but you still need Eskom if the overcast weather lasts for a few days and the battery goes flat.
 

daveza

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So if you only use a little you must pay a lot - sounds legit.
 

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Am I missing something - why do those who generate their own power from solar need to pay Eskom ?
Because it directly affects cadre bottom-line earnings.
And shock! one of them may have to get a Range Rover next year instead of a new Bentley.
 

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NERSA is looking for the kind of trouble it doesn't want. South Africans are tired of terrorism and we know what can happen to terrorists when they are caught by authorities
 
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