Eskom has applied for a 20.5% electricity price increase

[The Darkness]

Sooner or later Eskom will get their 20% increase. Do yourselves and your wallets a favour. Get your house and geyser insulated before the increase and get replace all old appliances (fridges, washing machines). It’s an investment now but you won’t be forking out so much on electricity when the increase inevitably happens.

Builder’s sells insulating wool for ceilings and I believe even rock wool panels for walls. You can even get double glazing for windows in the big metro areas especially in Cape Town. It’s an investment now but it’s cheaper than what heating the outside air will cost you in winter after the increase…

It will help in the immediate terms this, but you’ll still end up paying more for goods as these things will be using this new increase.

 

[RonSwanson]

F**k knows why they waste their time with 20%?! Why not go big time and save Eskom with a 4500% increase?

Careful now young man, it may make sense to you, but you gotta boil that frog extra slowly.

 

[maxxis]

If you don’t see value now you’re not hurting yet. Give it a few more years of 15-20% per year electricity price increases and people and property developers will actually see value in double glazed windows…both for less cooling and less heating. And the wool will be an important factor too.

Give it a rest. Developers build as cheap as possible to maximise profit.

 

[wingnut771]

Not taking on any debt thanks very much...

What's the difference in paying eskom R3000 per month or the bank R3000 per month?

The difference is, after 48 months you stop paying the bank.

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

What's the difference in paying eskom R3000 per month or the bank R3000 per month?

The difference is, after 48 months you stop paying the bank.

The R3000 is also fixed during the payback period, and doesn't escalate at 20% pa.

If you have your own house, or live in a complex that allows it, it makes no sense to continue paying Eskom...

 

[Priapus]

Sooner or later Eskom will get their 20% increase. Do yourselves and your wallets a favour. Get your house and geyser insulated before the increase and get replace all old appliances (fridges, washing machines). It’s an investment now but you won’t be forking out so much on electricity when the increase inevitably happens.

Builder’s sells insulating wool for ceilings and I believe even rock wool panels for walls. You can even get double glazing for windows in the big metro areas especially in Cape Town. It’s an investment now but it’s cheaper than what heating the outside air will cost you in winter after the increase…

M3h I went with solar instead. Geyser and the rest of the house runs on solar during the day and batteries at night.

 

[Easter Bunny]

it's essentially shrinkflation - we're going to pay the same as we always have, but we're just going to get less.

 

[RonSwanson]

Have you seen the price on replacing windows?

Who cares about a 20% increase when by then there will only be power for 50% of the time.

True. But lets remember that the first logical step towards independence from Eskom is to reduce consumption. Personally, I will never ridicule anyone who is trying to reduce consumption. Remember that we are all different. Some use 350kWH pm, some use 1200, and others use 2500.
Another thing: 20% is peanuts compared to what they are going to ask for demand next year and the next.

It's getting to the point wherr it will be cheaper for me to run my own coal fire power plant in my backyard

It's called a donkie

You're even dumber than I thought....

You double glaze and insulate walls when you live in extremely cold areas...like Alaska and other countries with extremely cold winters. Becuase there you heat your house 9 months of the year and have to prevent losing that heat through windows, walls and your ceiling.

It also helps keeping the cold outside.

Is this the SOP in Cape Town , South Africa??? Or even anywhere in South Africa?

Jirre jissis...

Remember that no two houses are the same, some use 350kWH pm, some use 1000, and others use 1700. Some are located in high traffic areas and need noise dampening. Some are facing South, small windows facing West. That's a cold place in the morning. We are not all the same, I build a sweat when temps are 23 plus, some people freeze even when it's 28 degrees outside, they wear beanies and scarves and Lesotho blankets, it's how they perceive cold.

Didn't we just have a 14% increase?

15.6 percent yes. In 2022 it will be 45%, mark my words, and the year after maybe even more.

20.5% >> unforeseen breakdowns
your choice.

So true, they know that they have us by the short & curlys. And nothing will happen to these bloated cadres, it's all for RET.

Like I initially said...insulation AND appliances. It's a multi-faceted approach. Your 20 year old fridge IS a problem as it uses way more energy than a modern fridge does because a modern fridge is not only more efficient but it is also better insulated. And a fridge runs all day every day costing you money a modern fridge just wouldn't...

And maybe you should compare your January vs. July electricity bills again. I'd be surprised if your electricity usage didn't go up by at least 30-50% in the winter months.

Anything that you can do to reduce your reliance on electricity should be considered, agreed. Best to start with a list, and priritise them.

Eskom must make up for all the guys off the grid!

That's also true, and will become more apparent with CoCT like legislation. Just today there was an official from City Power in my complex doing an audit, I guess that I was the target, last bought electricity in 2020. That "grid connection fee" that they mulled in the last 2 years will soon become a reality. Hopefully then I will be completely free from them, with an additional 10.5K storage.

Eskom is much easier. All we have to do is all switch off our DB's at the same time and then back on 20min later. Will send a pretty strong message.

True. The resultant anarchy will hasten the onslaught and intensity of the attacks by the have-nots, and the resultant crime spree will make Phoenix look like a sunday picnic. Instant frog boil, but at least it will be over with soon and not a legacy sword hanging over our heads.

Please tell us how much you are paying per ton of COAL.
Please tell us how much you are paying per liter of DIESEL.

What they are REALLY paying? This is redacted, of course in the name of BEE and AA Confidentiality.
Same as their broom purchases.

And this my friends is the exact downward spiral in usage thats being off set with upwards trend in pricing I mentioned over 2 years ago that will become the norm leading Eskom to end up with 1 client paying the entire Eskom yearly revenue.

With 20% increase, people will be forced to reduce their usage by 20% which in turn would generate the same or less revenue for Eskom and then the next price hike will be another 20%, rinse repeat.

There is no way out of this spiral if Eskom keeps at this. Pricing will simply keep going up at the rate of users reducing their electricity usage.

20% is now, 45% coming next year.

And all of Soweto, Alex, Jabulani, Protea Glen, Dobsonville... that are on grid and not paying...

The electorate for the ANC, EFF and DA of course.

Yeh this seems to be what is happening, when they increased by 15.6%, then most people probably couldn't afford to use the same amount of electricity as before, so in turn start using 15% less electricity. Higher prices doesn't equate to more income for Eskom, they need to find a balance somewhere.

Thank goodness it doesn't though, but for some it's slow frog boil until 1MW and lower, just like the rest of Africa.

Okay, provide the cash please and I will gladly do so. I don't have R130k lying around..

It's a journey, most people are like you. It starts with priorities (like driving a 15 year old golf vs a late model Audi with all the extras including extra sexy slinky indicators), this frees up cash to do what a man does best: Prioritising and solving problems for his family. Most do not have money "lying around". When the gravity of the situation hits though, people react very quickly, and funds find a way to be spent. Ever noticed an uptick in 2400VA Mecer inverters and LA battery sales during bouts of loadshedding?

When load shedding started many years ago, about 15 cant remember, they promised a 3 year once off increase and then inflation rate ever since. The once off increase (3 year period) was 225%. Sky high, but this was to raise money to build more power plants and then never again. They said they would raise R500 billion then and no worries. They rolled out geyser blankets to most and low energy bulbs.

No many years since, they have kept on charging us 15-20% per year and yet we have been cutting down on electricity more, while large industries and foreign countries can buy our electricity and 1/10th the price the consumer pays. Effectively the consumer was funding large companies with cheaper electricity. This went on for years, corporates made huge profits and we all went broke. Eskom bosses got big paychecks and the average monthly salary was R75 000 per person. Much higher than most other companies.

This with the ex Eskom boss getting R30 million fraudelently and can you believe they dont chase him for the money. Clearly they are flush with cash...

Now they want 20.5%. I'd say....GO FISH.

True. They lied. Yet the electorate still voted for them.

"Low energy" bulbs (CFLs filled with mercury) were purchased my and your tax money, and distributed by ANC Govt in my complex at the time , I did not get any because I am white wrong skin colour. and some cadres clearly got a huuge tender based on skin color of the legislation favouring black skin.

Solar is an investment that increases your value. Nobody cares if you have wool in your ceiling.

They do care about not having to pay Eskom and having power during load shedding...

I am not so sure, looking at some of the poorer installs, if one does receive any premium for solar then it's because it is loadshedding season.

We can solve loadshedding for ourselves with solar, and the ROI is actually pretty good.

What I don't enjoy is how driving becomes a complete catastrophe. Every trip is like Russian roulette as to whether people stop at traffic lights or fly through - that's in the day. At night, it's a catastrophe with no street lights either. Every trip on the road at night during loadshedding I'm just waiting for the side-smash. The best is when it rains+ loadshedding. Then I just stay home. /rant.

True that, just because your home has solar and storage does not mean that the rest of SA does, especially things like traffic lights. That is why independent Microgrids are a thing of the near future, watch it take off.

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

I am not so sure, looking at some of the poorer installs, if one does receive any premium for solar then it's because it is loadshedding season.

These days the whole year is load shedding season...

 

[Splinter]

What's the difference in paying eskom R3000 per month or the bank R3000 per month?

The difference is, after 48 months you stop paying the bank.

A question - when do you have to replace the batteries, and at what cost?

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

A question - when do you have to replace the batteries, and at what cost?

15+ years, around 20k per 5kwh battery at today's price. Batteries will evolve, last longer and get cheaper in future - especially with the push towards electric vehicles. But Eskom won't...

 

[mypetcow]

True. But lets remember that the first logical step towards independence from Eskom is to reduce consumption. Personally, I will never ridicule anyone who is trying to reduce consumption. Remember that we are all different. Some use 350kWH pm, some use 1200, and others use 2500.
Another thing: 20% is peanuts compared to what they are going to ask for demand next year and the next.

It's called a donkie

Remember that no two houses are the same, some use 350kWH pm, some use 1000, and others use 1700. Some are located in high traffic areas and need noise dampening. Some are facing South, small windows facing West. That's a cold place in the morning. We are not all the same, I build a sweat when temps are 23 plus, some people freeze even when it's 28 degrees outside, they wear beanies and scarves and Lesotho blankets, it's how they perceive cold.


15.6 percent yes. In 2022 it will be 45%, mark my words, and the year after maybe even more.

So true, they know that they have us by the short & curlys. And nothing will happen to these bloated cadres, it's all for RET.

Anything that you can do to reduce your reliance on electricity should be considered, agreed. Best to start with a list, and priritise them.

That's also true, and will become more apparent with CoCT like legislation. Just today there was an official from City Power in my complex doing an audit, I guess that I was the target, last bought electricity in 2020. That "grid connection fee" that they mulled in the last 2 years will soon become a reality. Hopefully then I will be completely free from them, with an additional 10.5K storage.

True. The resultant anarchy will hasten the onslaught and intensity of the attacks by the have-nots, and the resultant crime spree will make Phoenix look like a sunday picnic. Instant frog boil, but at least it will be over with soon and not a legacy sword hanging over our heads.

What they are REALLY paying? This is redacted, of course in the name of BEE and AA Confidentiality.
Same as their broom purchases.

20% is now, 45% coming next year.


The electorate for the ANC, EFF and DA of course.


Thank goodness it doesn't though, but for some it's slow frog boil until 1MW and lower, just like the rest of Africa.


It's a journey, most people are like you. It starts with priorities (like driving a 15 year old golf vs a late model Audi with all the extras including extra sexy slinky indicators), this frees up cash to do what a man does best: Prioritising and solving problems for his family. Most do not have money "lying around". When the gravity of the situation hits though, people react very quickly, and funds find a way to be spent. Ever noticed an uptick in 2400VA Mecer inverters and LA battery sales during bouts of loadshedding?



True. They lied. Yet the electorate still voted for them.

"Low energy" bulbs (CFLs filled with mercury) were purchased my and your tax money, and distributed by ANC Govt in my complex at the time , I did not get any because I am white wrong skin colour. and some cadres clearly got a huuge tender based on skin color of the legislation favouring black skin.


I am not so sure, looking at some of the poorer installs, if one does receive any premium for solar then it's because it is loadshedding season.


True that, just because your home has solar and storage does not mean that the rest of SA does, especially things like traffic lights. That is why independent Microgrids are a thing of the near future, watch it take off.

Well put.

 

[John Tempus]

20.5% >> unforeseen breakdowns
your choice.

You think unforeseen breakdowns will seize after 20.5% increase ?

Sorry, we will get both gifts.

 

[itareanlnotani]

True. But lets remember that the first logical step towards independence from Eskom is to reduce consumption. Personally, I will never ridicule anyone who is trying to reduce consumption. Remember that we are all different. Some use 350kWH pm, some use 1200, and others use 2500.
Another thing: 20% is peanuts compared to what they are going to ask for demand next year and the next.

It's called a donkie

Remember that no two houses are the same, some use 350kWH pm, some use 1000, and others use 1700. Some are located in high traffic areas and need noise dampening. Some are facing South, small windows facing West. That's a cold place in the morning. We are not all the same, I build a sweat when temps are 23 plus, some people freeze even when it's 28 degrees outside, they wear beanies and scarves and Lesotho blankets, it's how they perceive cold.


15.6 percent yes. In 2022 it will be 45%, mark my words, and the year after maybe even more.

So true, they know that they have us by the short & curlys. And nothing will happen to these bloated cadres, it's all for RET.

Anything that you can do to reduce your reliance on electricity should be considered, agreed. Best to start with a list, and priritise them.

That's also true, and will become more apparent with CoCT like legislation. Just today there was an official from City Power in my complex doing an audit, I guess that I was the target, last bought electricity in 2020. That "grid connection fee" that they mulled in the last 2 years will soon become a reality. Hopefully then I will be completely free from them, with an additional 10.5K storage.

True. The resultant anarchy will hasten the onslaught and intensity of the attacks by the have-nots, and the resultant crime spree will make Phoenix look like a sunday picnic. Instant frog boil, but at least it will be over with soon and not a legacy sword hanging over our heads.

What they are REALLY paying? This is redacted, of course in the name of BEE and AA Confidentiality.
Same as their broom purchases.

20% is now, 45% coming next year.


The electorate for the ANC, EFF and DA of course.


Thank goodness it doesn't though, but for some it's slow frog boil until 1MW and lower, just like the rest of Africa.


It's a journey, most people are like you. It starts with priorities (like driving a 15 year old golf vs a late model Audi with all the extras including extra sexy slinky indicators), this frees up cash to do what a man does best: Prioritising and solving problems for his family. Most do not have money "lying around". When the gravity of the situation hits though, people react very quickly, and funds find a way to be spent. Ever noticed an uptick in 2400VA Mecer inverters and LA battery sales during bouts of loadshedding?



True. They lied. Yet the electorate still voted for them.

"Low energy" bulbs (CFLs filled with mercury) were purchased my and your tax money, and distributed by ANC Govt in my complex at the time , I did not get any because I am white wrong skin colour. and some cadres clearly got a huuge tender based on skin color of the legislation favouring black skin.


I am not so sure, looking at some of the poorer installs, if one does receive any premium for solar then it's because it is loadshedding season.


True that, just because your home has solar and storage does not mean that the rest of SA does, especially things like traffic lights. That is why independent Microgrids are a thing of the near future, watch it take off.

I remember living in Observatory, CPT, when they came round to try give us some of those bulbs.

I was like - um, I'm using LED. CCFL is polluting garbage.
Was way ahead of the curve.

Can't remember if I let them in the house or not. Probably not. Got to be at least 10 years back. Probably more, as I was mostly offgrid by then there, and the bulbs were much earlier than the solar...

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

Like I initially said...insulation AND appliances. It's a multi-faceted approach. Your 20 year old fridge IS a problem as it uses way more energy than a modern fridge does because a modern fridge is not only more efficient but it is also better insulated. And a fridge runs all day every day costing you money a modern fridge just wouldn't...

And maybe you should compare your January vs. July electricity bills again. I'd be surprised if your electricity usage didn't go up by at least 30-50% in the winter months.

Oh definitely....it was due to all the heavy snow and blizzard conditions.

I had a heater running in every room, as well as my central heating system and underfloor heating systems....24h a day.

But all the heat kept on escaping through my unglazed, single windows as well as my badly insulated timber walls.

Back in the real world:

We use less electricity in winter than in summer, mainly 'cos my irrigation does not run 4 hours per night over 8 zones.

We also do not use any heaters or other form of heating. Here in South Africa, blankets and a pair of socks is all that is required in front of the TV......

 

[Raphael123]

Recoup from the Kasi. Cut off illegal connections. There's your 25%.

 

[ConfusedR]

Why the .5% ?
Are they giving us a discount from 21%
Wow. Thanks

 

[Yskasmetnstoof]

Are these guys too stupid to see the lesson in e-tolling or are they so uninformed that they don't know about it?

 

[Yskasmetnstoof]

Sooner or later Eskom will get their 20% increase. Do yourselves and your wallets a favour. Get your house and geyser insulated before the increase and get replace all old appliances (fridges, washing machines). It’s an investment now but you won’t be forking out so much on electricity when the increase inevitably happens.

Builder’s sells insulating wool for ceilings and I believe even rock wool panels for walls. You can even get double glazing for windows in the big metro areas especially in Cape Town. It’s an investment now but it’s cheaper than what heating the outside air will cost you in winter after the increase…

Some good advice for you: Buy two Bentleys. They are good cars. And if one is not available, you can use the other one.

 

[supersunbird]

You're even dumber than I thought....

You double glaze and insulate walls when you live in extremely cold areas...like Alaska and other countries with extremely cold winters. Becuase there you heat your house 9 months of the year and have to prevent losing that heat through windows, walls and your ceiling.

It also helps keeping the cold outside.

Is this the SOP in Cape Town , South Africa??? Or even anywhere in South Africa?

Jirre jissis...

He is probably one of those people that easily feels too cold and some sweatpants and hoody in winter for home wear is not enough.