Eskom has applied for a 20.5% electricity price increase

zerocool2009

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Lets start thinking how these clowns think. We have 2 options:

Condemn it !
Probe it !
 

mypetcow

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Stop hiking prices while you provide free electricity. Cut the free electricity and charge all. Also no forgiving municipalities of debt, then asking the tax payer to pay more. Shove it where the sun dont sign.

Everyone needs to pay. No discounts to large users, no bailing or forgiving debt, etc. They can pull that money from social services.
…’they can pull that money from social services’. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Just because you can afford to live in a house people doesn’t mean that those members of society who barely scrape by day to day or month to month should live like animals without any services.
Despite what you may think every country in the world be it the US, the UK or even communist Russia or China has…..subsidized housing, subsidized electricity, free piped water, food stamps, etc. for those people who are right at the bottom of society. Fortunately your dream distopia where you watch those people fight it out among themselves to the death does not exist and it never should.

Speaking of paying and being an upstanding member of society I’m sure you always pay all your taxes, never paid someone for a favour and you even pay e-tolls and your TV license, right? Otherwise you’d be a hypocrite you see…
 

SauRoNZA

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Sooner or later Eskom will get their 20% increase. Do yourselves and your wallets a favour. Get your house and geyser insulated before the increase and get replace all old appliances (fridges, washing machines). It’s an investment now but you won’t be forking out so much on electricity when the increase inevitably happens.

Builder’s sells insulating wool for ceilings and I believe even rock wool panels for walls. You can even get double glazing for windows in the big metro areas especially in Cape Town. It’s an investment now but it’s cheaper than what heating the outside air will cost you in winter after the increase…

Just generate your own power.
 

mypetcow

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Just generate your own power.
Generating yes. That’s cheap with solar but not everyone lives in a house. Also unfortunately battery storage won’t be possible for everyone especially considering the cost of batteries. Insulating a ceiling or gaps around doors and windows and buying a new fridge or geyser is much much cheaper than installing batteries. Also not everyone is knowledgeable enough to do it themselves then we’re back at the cost issue…
 

Mike Hoxbig

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Generating yes. That’s cheap with solar but not everyone lives in a house. Also unfortunately battery storage won’t be possible for everyone especially considering the cost of batteries. Insulating a ceiling or gaps around doors and windows and buying a new fridge or geyser is much much cheaper than installing batteries. Also not everyone is knowledgeable enough to do it themselves then we’re back at the cost issue…
Finance it. If you can afford to pay 10k each for a fridge and geyser, you can afford 1k a month over 5/6 years for a basic solar installation.

Regarding complexes, an increasing number of them are allowing it, especially for standalone units. At the very least they can install it at a complex level to kick in during load shedding, and charge a special levy until the cost is recovered...
 

mypetcow

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Finance it. If you can afford to pay 10k each for a fridge and geyser, you can afford 1k a month over 5/6 years for a basic solar installation.

Regarding complexes, an increasing number of them are allowing it, especially for standalone units. At the very least they can install it at a complex level to kick in during load shedding, and charge a special levy until the cost is recovered...
I agree with you 100%. I still think it’s better to lower your consumption first or to do it at the same time with the solar system. No point financing a solar system that powers a wasteful fridge or a super inefficient geyser. I’d rather have that power go somewhere else if you know what I mean.
 

SauRoNZA

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Generating yes. That’s cheap with solar but not everyone lives in a house. Also unfortunately battery storage won’t be possible for everyone especially considering the cost of batteries. Insulating a ceiling or gaps around doors and windows and buying a new fridge or geyser is much much cheaper than installing batteries. Also not everyone is knowledgeable enough to do it themselves then we’re back at the cost issue…

Most of the things you recommend also involve huge cost and owning the house.

Nobody needs to do it themselves. Installing it is cheap.
 

Ismail SA

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Try mention that under De Ruyter Eskom is worse, which is true according to all the stats. Maintenance is worse, the company wants to hike rates up more, all to help De Ruyter, but honestly he is crap. Just because he is white doesnt make him better. People thought the same of many others, who turned out rubbish.

I say its time we get rid of De Ruyter, he hasnt done anything to improve things with Eskom in all honesty.
I don't think getting rid of De Ruyter is the solution.
Firstly we need to stop making race an issue with every problem we encounter. De Ruyter is one person only. Eskom has so much staff in top positions who cannot perform. If you want to fix the problem heads need to start rolling. People should be held accountable for their poor performance.
The unions however does not allow for anybody to be fired. Once you in you set for life. It does not make sense to me how people are being rewarded for not performing.
The solution is to place people in positions with sufficient experience to perform their duties regardless of race or gender.
Unfortunately as time goes on people in SA are becoming more entitled. If we continue with this type of mindset we going fail hopelessly.
 

system32

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I doubt that's accurate. Perhaps they meant 42c/kg because based on Eskoms figures:

R70Billion for coal and 130Mt per year is 53.8c per kg.

A Coal plant produces roughly 2kWh per kg of coal, so that's 26c/kWh.
Only 26c/kWh for the raw coal - wow.
That's awfully low.
That does obviously not include the externalised costs of pollution and subsequent environmental costs.

Only 26c/kWh for the raw coal and the plants are all already paid off, so why does it cost me 232c/kWh? :mad:

The 42c/kWh for input costs for coal is attributed to Anton Eberhard and corresponds with brookings research:
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I used $1=R16, and R0.480 is pretty close to 42c
 
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