Eskom is proposing new ways for South Africans to pay for electricity

Oh yes yo do have a to pay a 'fixed fee' for petrol.. Botswana petrol is R8.50+- and ours is R23 something.. Botswana make a really good profit at R8.50 so the +-R15 is the fixed fee you pay for petrol (on Botswana retail price).. You can also call it tax if you like. (and that is on top of the 'profit' Bots and SA already make, and then also on top of the profit SA makes when selling it to Bots in the first place.. I would imagine that Bots would. Not be making less than 100‰ profit on the sale of their petrol so then SA is selling it to them for less than R4/litre.. Therefore SA cost/litre is around R3.. So then SA 'fixed fee' is around R20 per litre.. Just saying for a friend. I may be totally wrong, but hey, its just what I think..
Not a correct comparison.
In ZA and Bots, I don't pay R500 fixed feed per month (CoJ R200) before I start filling my tank.

What Eskom and CoJ are doing is introducing a Fixed fee for electricity on Pre-Paid.
 
I don't think it should have cost R210k though.

The best thing he did was convert the genny to LPG.
I have seen the guys doing this, conversion kits for the gens but apart from making the generator less noisy you actually in some cases use more gas. I suppose like you said it all depends what you have available so if the petrol runs dry then you can flip a switch and pump gas to it. might help with lifespan for the generator carb petrol tends to go off or start eating the rubbers.
 
I have seen the guys doing this, conversion kits for the gens but apart from making the generator less noisy you actually in some cases use more gas. I suppose like you said it all depends what you have available so if the petrol runs dry then you can flip a switch and pump gas to it. might help with lifespan for the generator carb petrol tends to go off or start eating the rubbers.
LPG doesnt have a shelf life so you can use your genny once every 2 years and not have a problem with stale fuel. Also, I heard reports from users that switch from petrol saved them about 40% in costs as I assume LPG price is not regulated and has no road taxes on it.
 
LPG doesnt have a shelf life so you can use your genny once every 2 years and not have a problem with stale fuel. Also, I heard reports from users that switch from petrol saved them about 40% in costs as I assume LPG price is not regulated and has no road taxes on it.
Yea, well like I said them rubbers when they start going eish. But I have yet to see someone do that Electrolysis hydrogen setup.
 
Yes, his system is specced for living life as usual, during loadshedding. Not failure. Lol.

Edit: Just a few minutes ago when he responded, he says he wish he didn't sell the generator. The fuel was expensive, and sometimes they'd simply not bother to start it if they don't HAVE to.
Doesn't even sound like that.
 
Not a correct comparison.
In ZA and Bots, I don't pay R500 fixed feed per month (CoJ R200) before I start filling my tank.

What Eskom and CoJ are doing is introducing a Fixed fee for electricity on Pre-Paid.
No, you pay about R20 per litre profit / fixed fee / call it what you like.. With electricity / water / rates I always have paid a fixed fee. I can't remember what the actual name is but I will check my last bill and get back to you soon @system32
 
No, you pay about R20 per litre profit / fixed fee / call it what you like.. With electricity / water / rates I always have paid a fixed fee. I can't remember what the actual name is but I will check my last bill and get back to you soon @system32
Please make sure to use highlighter.
 
Now that I have usage graphs at my fingertips, I've noticed how much more juice is required to heat geysers in winter because of the colder water coming in. Mate of mine was telling me about pre-heaters where your main geyser supply goes into an outside container first and then is heated by the sun during the day before going to the geyser. I guess a simple version of a solar geyser in essense but could possibly be done on the cheap.
 
I don't think you understand, but I don't use the grid to run my system. Let me take the time and explain what Solar power is and why many "experts" and "installers" get the wrong idea of what solar power is.

Solar Power is NOT a saving, doesn't mean to say it saves your butt from power outages and stressful situations cause it does BUT a solar system is not a Saving.
Solar Power is a means by which you the end user become Power owner and producer - you are what makes your system great by implementing the right solutions to the items that require power throughout your property's lifespan.
You have to do your homework - Solar power is not the silver bullet, you need to identify your household main power drawers and then identify solutions that can assist your system in becoming smart IE boiling water takes about 2KW to do, a double-door fridge can draw 600 Watts and you need to identify running and startup capacity. How you plan on cooking, etc. Offset some items and you can build the most efficient system out there. Mine was around 150k including a backup generator which on the odd odd occasion I will run to give power to the batteries. (2 weeks no sun)

I knows guys in the UK full 100% cloudy day and there's still like 60% power in the batteries. Hell even lightbulbs need to be changed cause 60Watts is a lot of power. Insulation, hot water heating systems, gas, solar cooking & most importantly EDUCATION teach your kids and your wife working together makes everyone's life better. - never said a hippy... hahaha oh and educate yourself on what system is the right fit for you, every inverter and battery has different scalabilities and limitations.
I 100% agree, it's convenience, not saving.

Going on with life during loadshedding. The initial outlay and the following maintenance and possible issues will surely always be more than what you save.

For me, that system would have saved me multiple fits of stress inducing rage, but not money LOL.

As I said, he is perfectly covered for loadshedding, not for prolonged outage.
 
Like what?
Perfectly covered for load shedding, as it sounds like he's dipping into batteries even during the day, so basically the panels are just an extra expense he could have just used the Inverter and batteries to make 2 hours of shedding, who pays 250k for that? I mean there are forumites who've paid that and can almost run a factory :)
 
Perfectly covered for load shedding, as it sounds like he's dipping into batteries even during the day, so basically the panels are just an extra expense he could have just used the Inverter and batteries to make 2 hours of shedding, who pays 250k for that? I mean there are forumites who've paid that and can almost run a factory :)
Price isn't what should be discussed here, but the specs of the setup. We all know people got ripped off during the height of stage 4 to 6.

The bottom line is, he appears to use more electricity during his normal routine, and 8x panels is not enough to maintain that as well as sufficiently charge the batteries during whole day long outages.

During loadshedding, no problem.
 
I still don't know why they just don't charge small scale users under a certain maximum load a fixed monthly fee and do away with per kWh charges? It's not like they spin up another 300MW generator because Jan Frederick turns his kettle on.
But the entire Oranje is coming over for tee en melktert.
 
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