Eskom wins court fight with City Power over massive outstanding electricity bill

Sinbad said:
They are related, in that COJ pissed all the ratepayers' money up against the wall instead of paying eskom and maintaining infrastructure
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Not related at all. It's not all JHB only high density areas with a lot of illegal connections.
 
quovadis said:
Wonder if any of this has to do with COJ/CP and their recent load reductions….
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It isn't, as they've been doing it for years and it's not the whole of jhb. Just areas that have a lot of illegal connections.
Same as what Eskom used to do until mid 2022
 
quovadis said:
I was also thinking more along the lines of Eskom reducing their supply due to non payment…
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Load reduction has nothing to do with supply. Load reduction is preventing damage on the localized infrastructure in those areas due to illegal connections.
Eskom supply is fine, CP don't want to keep replacing expensive transformers
 
Sinbad said:
They are related, in that COJ pissed all the ratepayers' money up against the wall instead of paying eskom and maintaining infrastructure
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Stole the cash. All stolen.
Now where is COJ going to find this amount?
The Rpoes" couch?
 
Lupus said:
Load reduction has nothing to do with supply. Load reduction is preventing damage on the localized infrastructure in those areas due to illegal connections.
Eskom supply is fine, CP don't want to keep replacing expensive transformers
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Sure, that’s the official story. What you’re missing is Eskom has in the past given the middle finger and reduced supply to non-payers similar to how Rand Water has reduced supply with municipalities too due to late payment.
 
quovadis said:
Sure, that’s the official story. What you’re missing is Eskom has in the past given the middle finger and reduced supply to non-payers similar to how Rand Water has reduced supply with municipalities too.
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So why is it not all of jhb? Why did they do it in the past in roughly the same areas? Load reduction isn't a supply issue, it's basically the stick to the non paying areas.
 
Lupus said:
So why is it not all of jhb? Why did they do it in the past in roughly the same areas? Load reduction isn't a supply issue, it's basically the stick to the non paying areas.
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History of non-payment = reduction? I’m just saying it’s awfully coincidental. And yes we know load reduction isn’t a supply issue is the official stance.
 
quovadis said:
History of non-payment = reduction? I’m just saying it’s awfully coincidental. And yes we know load reduction isn’t a supply issue is the official stance.
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Except for the fact that this isn't the first time they are doing it. Sure this time it's a bit more organised this time
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Lupus said:
Except for the fact that this isn't the first time they are doing it. Sure this time it's a bit more organised this time
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In the court case awarded to Eskom for the judgment there’s a counter application from COJ seeking relief in the form of an interdict preventing Eskom from affecting bulk supply on the basis of non payment. Seems a bit of an odd one to include that if there wasn’t a threat of them doing so. One of the mechanisms in doing so is reducing NMD of the bulk supply to the municipality.

But hey, you’re dead sure it’s just overloaded transformers and distribution so :thumbsup:
 
quovadis said:
In the court case awarded to Eskom for the judgment there’s a counter application from COJ seeking relief in the form of an interdict preventing Eskom from affecting bulk supply on the basis of non payment. Seems a bit of an odd one to include that if there wasn’t a threat of them doing so. One of the mechanisms in doing so is reducing NMD of the bulk supply to the municipality.

But hey, you’re dead sure it’s just overloaded transformers and distribution so :thumbsup:
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Because they've been doing it for years and years, here's 2020
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2021
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The issue is because load shedding isn't on the news now, people are jumping up and down trying to find anything. Oh look load reduction is sneaky load shedding, oh it's cause City Power owes Eskom oh oh... But in reality when Eskom wasn't doing it, City Power was as well.
You're now reaching thinking that cause CP owes money they are load reducing... When in reality they've been doing it for years.
Those areas they've been load reducing they've been cutting off illegal connections for years
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Lupus said:
Because they've been doing it for years and years, here's 2020

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The issue is because load shedding isn't on the news now, people are jumping up and down trying to find anything. Oh look load reduction is sneaky load shedding, oh it's cause City Power owes Eskom oh oh... But in reality when Eskom wasn't doing it, City Power was as well.
You're now reaching thinking that cause CP owes money they are load reducing... When in reality they've been doing it for years.
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if you’re happy to argue it’s only infrastructure then, as I said, fine.
 
quovadis said:
if you’re happy to argue it’s only infrastructure then, as I said, fine.
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Right so they were doing it in the past because of? The issue with Eskom not being paid by CP is from October 2023, yet CP were doing load reduction before that for almost 3 years? Hmmm... almost as if they do it every winter in those same areas for a valid reason...
 
Lupus said:
Right so they were doing it in the past because of? The issue with Eskom not being paid by CP is from October 2023, yet CP were doing load reduction before that for almost 3 years? Hmmm... almost as if they do it every winter in those same areas for a valid reason...
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Im not talking about the past. The debt being owed since 2023 resulted in Eskom seeking relief. Im simply suggesting that perhaps it’s not only infrastructure load. After all, another scenario could also be that if CP needs bulk supply to increase due to their customer demand Eskom would be less likely to accommodate especially due to non-payment or claims of overbilling by CP.

It’s just a theory.
 
quovadis said:
Im not talking about the past. The debt being owed since 2023 resulted in Eskom seeking relief. Im simply suggesting that perhaps it’s not just infrastructure load. After all, another scenario could also be that if CP needs bulk supply to increase due to their customer demand Eskom would be less likely to accommodate especially due to non-payment or claims of overbilling by CP.

It’s just a theory.
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So they've been doing it for years before in the past, but that's irrelevant, we need to have a "theory" that goes against what they say they are doing it for. Yet they've been doing the same thing for years in the same areas?
So why would this year be any different? Are those areas suddenly paying? Are they not connecting illegally?
 
Lupus said:
So they've been doing it for years before in the past, but that's irrelevant, we need to have a "theory" that goes against what they say they are doing it for. Yet they've been doing the same thing for years in the same areas?
So why would this year be any different? Are those areas suddenly paying? Are they not connecting illegally?
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Sure Lupus. It’s an impossible scenario.
 
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