Eskom's big changes for electricity tariffs proposed

2022 said:
Eskom is such a mess, I think people are mostly moving to solar because eskom can't produce enough electricity reliably, not because they to avoid the cost of electricity.

Meanwhile eskom sees this as the rich somehow skrewing over the poor and not paying their fair share.
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Eskom views them as competition for providing power to metros
 
I guess the "Homeflex" tariff (mentioned in the fifth last paragraph) would be interesting for solar users but the feed in tariff needs to be known.
 
Meanwhile households in Eastern Europe are paying R250 per month for electricity while South Africans are expected to pay R938 per month for none.

Well actually R250 is electricity and gas combined.
 
How to take your people for a P.O.E.S?

Charge them for services that they don't use!

Don't use electricity? Pay a monthly flat fee

Don't use SABC? Pay a monthly flat fee

Don't use air because you died? No no no that ain't gonna work. Pay a monthly flat fee
 
No matter how they slice and dice their billing, it is becoming increasingly unaffordable and unsustainable for households. The cost of electricity used to be below 2% of the average income, but it’s fast heading for +10% and for poorer households a ridiculously unaffordable share of their income. Combined with the cost of fuel, something has to give.

People will either vote with their feet and leave, demand higher incomes or go completely off grid if they can afford to. One thing I know for sure is that the current trend cannot continue indefinitely. When middle class families are spending more than half their income on electricity and fuel, and an even worse situation for poorer households, there will be a unified revolt from all levels of society.
 
richjdavies said:
Calm down dears!
"on average" everyone pays less... But for some reason every is screaming that Eskom is screwing them?

HomePower tariffs ALREADY have daily fees between R200-900/month...
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And those who read the article will see that is even says if you have solar there may be nice things from the Homeflex tariff...

And most importantly they aren't proposing much change to megaflex which is what your municipality pays!... Of which most of you would be impacted by.
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Precisely. Before we all try to burn Eskom at the stake please chck that the Homepower tariff actually affects you. I would guess that it doesn't as most of us are neither on dual-phase (80A p.p aka. 32 kVA) or three-phase (60A p.p. aka. 25 kVA) connections. This tariff is for high-usage customers so we can all breathe a little easier.

Last I checked I'm on a 63A single phase breaker, i.e. a 14.49kVA connection which is far away from both 25 kVA and 32 kVA.
 
mypetcow said:
Precisely. Before we all try to burn Eskom at the stake please chck that the Homepower tariff actually affects you. I would guess that it doesn't as most of us are neither on dual-phase (80A p.p aka. 32 kVA) or three-phase (60A p.p. aka. 25 kVA) connections. This tariff is for high-usage customers so we can all breathe a little easier.

Last I checked I'm on a 63A single phase breaker, i.e. a 14.49kVA connection which is far away from both 25 kVA and 32 kVA.
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I'd wager the overwhelming majority of forumites would be municipal customers, so none of these tariffs have any bearing on them. What would affect them is Eskom's wholesale billing rate.
 
Speedster said:
I'd wager the overwhelming majority of forumites would be municipal customers, so none of these tariffs have any bearing on them. What would affect them is Eskom's wholesale billing rate.
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Yup apparently they all are eskom direct at the way they are moaning.
 
My bill is higher in months with loadshedding!! Well disconnect completely and owe them nothing or just don't pay. Oh they may disconnect you hahaha
 
richjdavies said:
Calm down dears!
"on average" everyone pays less... But for some reason every is screaming that Eskom is screwing them?

HomePower tariffs ALREADY have daily fees between R200-900/month...
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And those who read the article will see that is even says if you have solar there may be nice things from the Homeflex tariff...

And most importantly they aren't proposing much change to megaflex which is what your municipality pays!... Of which most of you would be impacted by.
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Maybe "on average" it is less but a lot of people are using way less than average to save as much money as possible. This means all these people are now going to be paying much more.
 
RiaX said:
They will probably bill us on our rates
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Yip, in Cape Town we already have a connection fee on our municipal accounts, so they'll just increase it there (I'm on prepaid).
If you're renting your landlord will have to cough up and he'll just increase your rent to make up for the increase.
 
RiaX said:
They will probably bill us on our rates
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What do you mean?!?! Eskom charge municipalities based on megaflex tariff. This proposal does nothing to that! So the municipality has always been able to charge R1000 or R10 or nothing as a monthly fee and will continue to be in the same situation...

It's like Eskom click bait article just bring out the auto-replies "ahh Eskom ripping me off" bla bla bla
 
richjdavies said:
What do you mean?!?! Eskom charge municipalities based on megaflex tariff. This proposal does nothing to that! So the municipality has always been able to charge R1000 or R10 or nothing as a monthly fee and will continue to be in the same situation...

It's like Eskom click bait article just bring out the auto-replies "ahh Eskom ripping me off" bla bla bla
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People can't read, doesn't matter how much you tell them this is for Eskom direct customers. But hey Eskom is ripping us off
 
Lupus said:
People can't read, doesn't matter how much you tell them this is for Eskom direct customers. But hey Eskom is ripping us off
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Eskom is indeed ripping everyone off. But this proposal isn't the problem.

For the past 5 years they have done basically nothing with the tariff which is just stupid! All they do is apply the same % increase across every single line. Peak, standard, off peak, KVA, monthly fee...
Finally the person who's job it is to think about tariffs has returned from emigration and said "come on guys this is silly!!". It seems crazy to me that for the Time of Use clients power costs more at noon than at 10pm given all the solar talk. Moreover end residential users are small fry really...

It comes back to -- why is most of Saturday and all of Sunday off peak, but also load shedded more often? They need to make their mind up about what the price tells customers to do -- which only solves #1 below.

Utimately Eskom is only going to survive if they figure out how to cut the cost of electricity:
1. Stop using OCGT/Diesel
2. Reduce losses/unpaid for energy
3. Reduce their overheads...
 
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