Eskom's R300-billion Medupi and Kusile woes

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Jan said:
This has resulted in ongoing delays and both projects exceeding their budgets by a combined R300 billion.
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iirc back in 2012 Medupi was budgeted for R80billion and Kusile for R120Billion.

The combined budget thereby being R200Billion...and they overshot that by 1.5x ... nice!

Is everyone forgetting it was Hitachi (who Chancellor house had majority shares in) which screwed up the boilers ? ... and some other consultants fudged the cooling vents design and they had to be rerouted entirely.
 
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Never should've approved such large stations to start with... Now have to fix what we've got.
 
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Well duh. Without inverters they're also useless. I mean the whole shebang.
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Uhmm that isn't possible with storage, I mean even the biggest battery would give a few moments of power.
 
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Another "Hey, look how completely fscked X is!" article without even a hint to the root cause.

MyBB is captured.
 
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Lupus said:
Uhmm that isn't possible with storage, I mean even the biggest battery would give a few moments of power.
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How do you suppose existing solar farms store energy?

Judging by this: https://constructionreviewonline.co...-us-25m-kabulasoke-solar-power-park-complete/
9.6 billion USD would have got us a solar farm with 9600 MW cap.
R154 billion Rand. Theres spare change for expansion and extra storage and we could have boasted the biggest solar farm in the world. Instead we have the biggest coal power station in the world. Yay.

Regardless, by switching to solar or other renewables we will, as a species, be forced to plan better and use electricity more sparingly or more efficiently (planned storage e.g. heating a building before peak demand and storing that energy... improving insulation). IMO that contributes enormously to sustainability than the alternative of throwing another piece of coal on the barbie.

450-500 BILLION would have got us something nice and something to be proud of... as it is, all it got us is a big bloody furnace.
 
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The Jam said:
How do you suppose existing solar farms store energy?

Judging by this: https://constructionreviewonline.co...-us-25m-kabulasoke-solar-power-park-complete/
9.6 billion USD would have got us a solar farm with 9600 MW cap.
R154 billion Rand. Theres spare change for expansion and extra storage and we could have boasted the biggest solar farm in the world. Instead we have the biggest coal power station in the world. Yay.

Regardless, by switching to solar or other renewables we will, as a species, be forced to plan better and use electricity more sparingly or more efficiently (planned storage e.g. heating a building before peak demand and storing that energy... improving insulation). IMO that contributes by far the most to being more efficient than the alternative of throwing another piece of coal on the barbie.
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They don't, hence why when the sun goes down they aren't sending any energy. CSP was sort of an idea on how to do this, but it's also not the best way to store it and it's really really costly.
so you've spent a lot of money for things that could be used only during the day, we don't have enough places to do hydro to use it to pump the water back up, we don't really have any geothermal. Also running the necessary infrastructure from places like the Karoo around the country will add to the costs.
Nuclear would've been the better option at 300 Billion.
 
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people want this, people begged for this, people got on their hands and Knees and begged the Big strong ANC to keep power.
so why are people complaining, this anarchy and dysfunction is exactly what people want, they revel and enjoy having Zero electricity and constant power cuts.

look elsewhere around Africa, electricity is such a rarity, people are amazed when it works at all.
so about time SA caught up to them
 
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Lupus said:
They don't, hence why when the sun goes down they aren't sending any energy. CSP was sort of an idea on how to do this, but it's also not the best way to store it and it's really really costly.
so you've spent a lot of money for things that could be used only during the day, we don't have enough places to do hydro to use it to pump the water back up, we don't really have any geothermal. Also running the necessary infrastructure from places like the Karoo around the country will add to the costs.
Nuclear would've been the better option at 300 Billion.
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Of course they do. Huanghe Hydro Hainan solar park has 200 MW of chem storage.
Upton Tx has 1200Mwh of storage (300 MW).
Gateway (California) has 250 MW storage.
 
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I left SA 20 years, ago so I have no idea what Load shedding is. What is interesting is that in all the articles I've read, I not have 1nce seen that Eskom provide a solution if the situation becomes extreme or even for the interim. Seems their solution is to just shut down part of the grid and pray for the best outcome. It seems that Eskom always start any news report/letter with an apology. Is there a solution for a serious emergency ,to keep going before there is a total blackout or prevent it? I'm just asking.
 
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The Jam said:
Of course they do. Huanghe Hydro Hainan solar park has 200 MW of chem storage.
Upton Tx has 1200Mwh of storage (300 MW).
Gateway (California) has 250 MW storage.
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Yeah and all that storage will give the entire SA about 15 maybe 20 minutes of power, they are basically big UPS devices or they are used to regulate the voltage better.
Storage is hectically expensive right now, also those amounts you've mentioned are piddling amounts of power, you don't realise how much SA actually uses, I mean at night when everyone is sleeping there is still 20GW going.
 
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Yeah and all that storage will give the entire SA about 15 maybe 20 minutes of power, they are basically big UPS devices or they are used to regulate the voltage better.
Storage is hectically expensive right now, also those amounts you've mentioned are piddling amounts of power, you don't realise how much SA actually uses, I mean at night when everyone is sleeping there is still 20GW going.
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I'm not arguing against nuclear, I'm arguing against these coal fired abominitions.
 
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