ethernet question

[Saul]

Okay, I'm sick of sharing the connection with having to have the other pc on all the time. I am under the impression that if I get the ethernet cable I can just plug it in straight to my hub and thus dial seperately from each computer via PPPOE.

Now what I need to know is that if I have a normal hub/switch type thing will it still work or do I need a router or what not?

I also make the assumption that since its PPPOE each computer can dial the modem separately. Is this a correct assumption or am I totally off the mark?

Thanks

 

[Echo]

o.k. take the cross over cable that came with your POTS (Telkom ADSL Router/Box) connect your one pc via the cable to the POTS, and open your browser, http://192.168.10.200 should get you a response from the unit, enter username: ROOT and password: ROOT (unless you have changed the default pwd, then enter use the pwd you changed it to) make sure DHCP is enabled on the POTS, and then under basic config enter your ADSL username and pwd, save and reset POTS. Now you POTS is configured to auto-connect. Next unplug cross over cable from PC and plug it into the hub/switch, connect PC's to hub/switch and under networking settings, IP settings then choose Optain an IP address automatically. Now your PC's should be able to conect via the router!

 

[dbnnet]

Totally off the mark!!!
I suggest you get a broadband router (D-Link, NetGear or Linksys etc.) that supports PPPoE.
(i.e. A D-Link DI-604 sells for less than R400 these days)
(Only the router then needs to communicate with the modem..... PPPoE)
All PC's then are on the same network, with the router acting as the default gateway.

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[regardtv]

Saul,

Actually what you are thinking about IS possible. But I must say that I've found the "hub" based pppoe rather flaky.

Dbnnet's recommendation is a good one.

 

[dbnnet]

Some additional comment:
1. Remember to change the Tcp Receive Window (using something like Dr. TCP) to about 16384.
(At 128-512K access speeds, anything higher will be inefficient).
2. Change the MTU setting to 1450 (on all the PC's as well as the router itself).


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[jersey]

Guys,

Just a question... how many simultaneous logins from the same modem Sentech supports? If infinitive... just connect the wireless to the modem and configure each windows machine to connect via ethernet. I would not advise it. If any computer has a flow in the firewall setting...
The most elegant solution allways will be a gateway/router with a strong (and properly configured) firewalling. I am a Linux fan so my choice would be obvious.

 

[TheRoDent]

From my experience, the IPWireless modem doesn't support simultaneous PPPoE sessions. You will have to look at a gateway/firewall. A lot of guys have had joy from smoothwall.org


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[Saul]

Okay, well then what pc will I need to run smoothwall on?

I have a win 2003 server running but it doesnt share the connection to well. I assume with the PPPoE running it will be shared properly?

 

[jersey]

Saul,

I do not think that smoothwall runs on a M$ Win system )). It is self contained firewall/gateway/caching proxy server based on Red Hat distribution. Using rpm's you can add some additional functionality to it. As it is it has a very friendly web based admin interface and looks OK. I did not try it to extensively, most of my system run Debian, but for a novice in Linux world you should enjoy it. You can download ISO image from www.smootwall.org and create a bootable CD. Installation is quite simple and some folks have done it here. They can share the experience. It needs 2 network cards thou, one for your internal network and one for direct ethernet wireless connection.

 

[Saul]

Okay, one last question and please do excuse my ignorance.

What I meant with the Win2K3 question is will it do the same thing as the smoothwall if I set it up to use PPPoE because I tried it using the plain USB connection and there were some major problems with the sharing of the connection.

In regard to the smoothwall question, do I just download the ISO, install the cd and set things up or do I need some sort of Linux distribution?

Thanks for your help

 

[dorris]

Switching to PPPOE will not affect the sharing problems you're having on your win2k3 box.

It seems you have changed your target since the start of this thread, if initially you only wanted to remove the need for an always on PC, why not follow dbnnet's suggestion of the PPPOE router.
when you say <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">there were some major problems with the sharing of the connection<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
what exactly do you mean?
In regards to firewall / routing /gateway, there are apps such as Kerio Winroute and Qbik Wingate, that perform similiarly on windows setups, if you are not ready to make the Linux Leap.

I also don't quite get your setup, you have a machine running windows 2K3, but it isn't permanently on[?][?][?]

 

[Saul]

well here's my sob story:

I have 2 pc's, my moms work pc on which she uses the internet maybe twice a day for banking.
Then there is my laptop which is used to download stuff plenty.
The laptop is in my room and makes a lot of noise so I can't sleep with it on. Since I want to be able to share the net without having to turn my laptop on I wanted to put the connection on another pc. My mom turns her pc off to much so the only option was a server since the IPWireless piece of crap modem does not support multiple PPPoE connections. I wanted to have a connection regardless of me having to have my pc on.

So I stuck the modem on the win 2K3 machine and on my laptop I couldnt get webpages to load even though I could get MSN and email fine. The USB driver only seems to allow it to connect as a demand dial which I set up to connect when the server turned on. Unfortunaltely this didnt work so I am looking for a better alternative.

If you can tell me what I am doing wrong or what I need to do then please can someone help! Its driving me mad!

 

[JAS]

While Windows ICS may not be the most elegant and flexible Internet Connection sharing method, it DOES work. Your main problem is the MTU. Use DrTCP to set the MTU for the LAN connection on ALL the machines (server and clients) to 1458, and set all other fields "default" or blank. (See also my posting in http://www.myadsl.co.za/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3115). The MTU of 1458 is only a little smaller than the default 1500 for Ethernet so will have mininal effect on all your other LAN traffic.

On your server (the PC attached to the modem via USB) setup the properties on the "Advanced" tab of the "sentech" connection as follows:

- If you are not using some other firewall, then enable the firewall.
- Tick "Allow other network users to connect through this computer's internet". This will enable the ICS, set the IP of the server PC to 192.168.0.1, and enable the DHCP server function.
- UnTick the dial-on-demand option (the modem will always be connected).
- and don't allow other users to manage this connection.

Lastly, use ProAsm's MySignal dialer instead of the supplied dialer because it has more features, and will automatically and continuously try to re-connect whenever there is a disconnection.

 

[dorris]

Saul : I'm sorry, I just can't help laughing at your situation, assuming I understood it, you have 2 computers only, that means you loaded a server OS on your <b>mothers</b> PC. HAHAHAhahaha

JAS is correct, follow his instructions, and you won't have any probs using ICS.

But if you still not keen on both PC's running full time, a router is a good option, if you get the right one, all you have to do is punch in your user name and password on the router, plug the modem into it via PPPOE, and set each machine on the network to use the router as the default gateway.
If you looking for a price on one, I know a while back rhino helped another member get a good price, mail him and see what he can do.

 

[Saul]

dorris dont be stupid!

I have the 3rd server box set up in the study!

Well thanks for your help everyone, gonna try hook it all up tomorrow.

Dorris, as a matter of interest, what would the problem be with setting up the server OS on a normal pc? It runs nice and quick compared to clunky XP.