Eugene Johnson removed as Nelson Mandela Bay mayor at chaotic council meeting

OhYeah84

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Good riddance...

...however...

“The mayor has failed to do oversight on service delivery. For three months, the Bay has not been cleaned,” Grootboom said.

Not the case. Areas like Newton Park, Linkside (TONS of potholes for both suburbs), Mill Park etc. have all been left for far longer than that. They're digging holes to fix potholes and simply leaving them untouched for weeks. Then filling them in haphazardly.
Newton Park Library has been closed since Covid and left as-is. Grass is waist high in places. Roads all over have been left with grass and plants growing on the highways.
This hasn't been a 3-month thing. The rot and decay being allowed has been going on for far longer.
 

konfab

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Why would the other parties listen to a DA set standard? The parties with more seats are hoping to win more as do the DA so it ends being a case of them trying to show each other up like is happening in Joburg.
The DA will be the largest party in that coalition. There is nothing but the ANC without them.

This is a problem in any proportional representation system. You vote for a party that has X principles, but when they get into coalition with other parties, you get Y.

Organising the coalition before hand and agreeing on the very basic things, like merit based appointments, rule of law, separation of party and state is exactly how you get around the issue;
I will let the Wizard explain:

The great disadvantage of that can be seen in most European countries which employ PR systems, for there an election merely opens a lengthy period of bargaining – in Germany it often takes months – during which the various parties put together a coalition government. And the problem about that is that voters have no say in the matter: the complexion of the coalition is decided entirely by the party elites.

We have already seen this at municipal level. A DA voter happily votes for his/her distinctively liberal party, but then the party elites get busy and possibly to the voter’s dismay, he or she finds then finds that his or her city is to be ruled by a coalition of the DA, the FF+, the Patriotic Front and a Muslim party, all supported by the EFF – a most illiberal collection.


Another point about PR systems is that not only is the electorate fragmented into a divided mosaic but the rivalry between the various fragments is exacerbated because they are often quarrelling over exactly the same segment of the electorate and because potentially every vote counts. Thus, for example, the exaggerated rivalry between the DA and ActionSA.

My suggestion was that South Africa needs an Opposition popular front against an ANC-EFF government or, indeed, merely another ANC government since it is fairly clear that the country cannot easily survive another five years of ANC rule, with or without the EFF. That is, here too we have a great unifying danger which should galvanise all Opposition parties and voters.

In order to come together the parties would have to agree on a common programme. The situation is so dire that this should not be difficult. Surely everyone could agree on a firm stance for law and order, cracking down on corruption and the various criminal gangs terrorising the transport, mining and construction industries. Equally, we need a firm, clear and enforced policy on immigration.

We also need to liberalise the labour laws, to end cadre deployment and sharply improve education. We should insist on the right person for every job and value for money in state contracts, with no racial favouritism of any kind. And we should go all out for economic growth, which means removing all barriers to alternative energy producers and opening many more mines.
 

Neptuner

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Good riddance...

...however...

“The mayor has failed to do oversight on service delivery. For three months, the Bay has not been cleaned,” Grootboom said.

Not the case. Areas like Newton Park, Linkside (TONS of potholes for both suburbs), Mill Park etc. have all been left for far longer than that. They're digging holes to fix potholes and simply leaving them untouched for weeks. Then filling them in haphazardly.
Newton Park Library has been closed since Covid and left as-is. Grass is waist high in places. Roads all over have been left with grass and plants growing on the highways.
This hasn't been a 3-month thing. The rot and decay being allowed has been going on for far longer.
This is now common across SA, I can say in Mpumalanga we having the same sh/t just a different place. A municipality that has had clean audits and good functional services just falling flat on it's face. ANC/EFF is always at the centre of these fallouts. There is drive from residences now to sue the municipality for not providing services that they were paid for. I think this might be the correct course of action to resolve these political grand stands and hold these fvckers accountable in court.
 
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