Europe's largest nuclear power plant attacked by Russia, raising fears of explosion 10 times worse than Chernobyl

[konfab]

Let’s shoot rockets towards a huge controlled fission reaction and let’s see what happens. Seriously. Doesn’t matter who’s side you are on, it is a really stupid idea.

Do you see the big orange things in the below picture. They are reactor containment vessels. The reactors in question are VVER 1000 reactors.



Those containment vessels are designed to contain any accident that might happen within them. Which usually includes really high pressures. The result is that the concrete on these structures is about 1.2m thick.
https://repository.lib.ncsu.edu/bitstream/handle/1840.20/31181/H06_5.pdf?sequence=1

You would need to hit it with something really specific to even scratch it. As long as they have turned it off (which it looks like they have, it isn't really a problem).

 

[Gordon_R]

Do you see the big orange things in the below picture. They are reactor containment vessels. The reactors in question are VVER 1000 reactors.

View attachment 1259274

Those containment vessels are designed to contain any accident that might happen within them. Which usually includes really high pressures. The result is that the concrete on these structures is about 1.2m thick.
https://repository.lib.ncsu.edu/bitstream/handle/1840.20/31181/H06_5.pdf?sequence=1

You would need to hit it with something really specific to even scratch it. As long as they have turned it off (which it looks like they have, it isn't really a problem).

Cooling the reactors after emergency shutdown is vital, and fortunately is being done. The situation is quite complex and risky:

Nuclear plant: How close was nuclear plant attack to catastrophe?

After Russia seizes two nuclear plant sites, experts weigh the risk to Ukraine and the world at large.

www.bbc.com

"You don't need to hit directly a plant to get a problem," says Olexi Pasiuk, deputy director of Ecoaction, an energy pressure group in Ukraine. A disruption to the plant's energy supply could also cause serious issues.

The Ukrainians were in the process of taking the reactors offline to protect them. Only one of the six reactors operational at the power plant is now thought to be running.

However, reactors cannot just be turned off like conventional energy supplies. They must be cooled slowly over 30 hours, which requires a constant electricity supply to the plant.

A disruption to this energy supply - and therefore the cooling process - could also lead to radiation leakage.

This could happen if nuclear fuel exceeded its melting point and radioactive materials broke through the containment facilities.

Prof Claire Corkhill, a nuclear materials expert at University of Sheffield, says the worst-case scenario would be a loss of cooling similar to that at Japan's Fukushima plant following the 2011 tsunami.

In that case a loss of power led to a loss of cooling, which caused a meltdown in three of its nuclear reactors.

 

[Gimli_]

Sjoe, so that lie changed quickly.

It went from Russia is purposefully targeting and hitting the reactor and that radiation levels are increasing...

To...

Actually just a fire at the admin building.

You are being facetious. Any attacking a Nuclear plant, one side or the other, doesn't matter how bad the war becomes is not allowed. Nuclear radiation fallout doesn't know borders, only the direction of the wind.

 

[Vorastra]

You are being facetious. Any attacking a Nuclear plant, one side or the other, doesn't matter how bad the war becomes is not allowed. Nuclear radiation fallout doesn't know borders, only the direction of the wind.

No, you are being disingenuous. It's yet another overblown lie by the Ukrainians. One of many lies so far.
The nuclear reactor was never being attacked. It was never leaking. The Ukrainians were using it as a reason for NATO to instil a no fly zone, until it was found out that it was a lie.

 

[Gimli_]

Do you see the big orange things in the below picture. They are reactor containment vessels. The reactors in question are VVER 1000 reactors.

View attachment 1259274

Those containment vessels are designed to contain any accident that might happen within them. Which usually includes really high pressures. The result is that the concrete on these structures is about 1.2m thick.
https://repository.lib.ncsu.edu/bitstream/handle/1840.20/31181/H06_5.pdf?sequence=1

You would need to hit it with something really specific to even scratch it. As long as they have turned it off (which it looks like they have, it isn't really a problem).

Not sure how much you know and how much you are speculating..... These things are desined to withstand earthquakes and as you say incidents associated with nuclear reactors. But not being bombed. Forces associated with that are different than what they are designed for. Precisely because nobody has foreseen that anyone would be so stupid to try to shell them.

Secondly even if they are 'off' you still need to cool them, which means you need power and working pumps.

 

[Gimli_]

Was it Russian soldiers or is it just fake news again?

Does it matter? Do you think Ukrainians would shell a nuclear reactor in their country after they had to deal with Chernobyl?

 

[Gimli_]

Looks like they just blew up the entrance to access the compound.
But sensationalism rules and now the news can talk about nuclear war and radiation for the rest of the weekend.

You are ignorant it seems, these rockets or artillery shells aren't precision weapons. Shootin in the direction of something like this has a major chance of hitting something else that the thing you are aiming for. Using these weapons anywhere near a plant like this is madness.

 

[Pak Fa Fui]

Does it matter? Do you think Ukrainians would shell a nuclear reactor in their country after they had to deal with Chernobyl?

The Ukrainians are desperate af, they would do anything for the EU and Nato to join their fight.

FYI, this matter has been settled already. The president for atomic research institute has already confirmed that this was not an attack. The Russia objective is to shut down all nuclear reactors. They took control of Chernobyl very early in the conflict and intend on protecting the other 14 reactors from Ukrainian militants.

 

[Gimli_]

No, you are being disingenuous. It's yet another overblown lie by the Ukrainians. One of many lies so far.
The nuclear reactor was never being attacked. It was never leaking. The Ukrainians were using it as a reason for NATO to instil a no fly zone, until it was found out that it was a lie.

OK live in lala land. Can I buy you a tinfoil hat?

 

[etienne_marais]

(The Independent)

The comment section :O

The State Service of Ukraine for Emergency Situations (GSChS) denied reports of a fire at the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant located in the east of the country. According to the department, the fire broke out in a nearby training building. Earlier, Andrey Tuz, a spokesman for the station's press service, said that a fire broke out on the site. in the city of Energodar at the Zaporozhye NPP, the third power unit was disconnected from the unified power system (only 4 units are operating). The fire situation at the NPP is within the normal range. Outside the territory of the NPP, a fire," the message posted on the State Emergency Service's Telegram channel reads. the fire in a training room outside the plant is now out.

That is not a missile. Those look more like flares

It was the administrative building that was on fire, in the broadcast the author pointed the camera at the power unit, it is on the other side to the left of the camera and everything is in order with it.

Before this, the building on the right of the screen was hit. I watched it live for 25 minutes burn.

Above shows building being fired upon, anybody know where a missile hit though ?

Also at 1:15 in the independent's video you can clearly see tracer rounds going off from the center to the left of the screen!

Is this the missile impact ?

If you dumbasses look through the actual live feed of when it happened you can clearly see the attack, Go 1 hour and 30 minutes into this!

 

[Gimli_]

The Ukrainians are desperate af, they would do anything for the EU and Nato to join their fight.

FYI, this matter has been settled already. The president for atomic research institute has already confirmed that this was not an attack. The Russia objective is to shut down all nuclear reactors. They took control of Chernobyl very early in the conflict and intend on protecting the other 14 reactors from Ukrainian militants.

As if they have to protect it, it has been ok for the past oh 10 years without Russian help? Drink the coolaid if you want. And I heard the president of the atomic research institute, he did not say it 'was not an attack' He said no radio active material escaped. Please be more accurate with the facts. Troll

 

[Pak Fa Fui]

As if they have to protect it, it has been ok for the past oh 10 years without Russian help? Drink the coolaid if you want. And I heard the president of the atomic research institute, he did not say it 'was not an attack' He said no radio active material escaped. Please be more accurate with the facts. Troll

Whatever man. The atomic institute have been briefed that the Russians want all the nuclear plants shut down in the Ukraine. This is a long process, upto 24-48 hours. All nuclear plants will be under Russian guard as long as this war lasts.

 

[Enzo Matrix]

Whatever man. The atomic institute have been briefed that the Russians want all the nuclear plants shut down in the Ukraine. This is a long process, upto 24-48 hours. All nuclear plants will be under Russian guard as long as this war lasts.

Invasion you mean

 

[Gimli_]

Whatever man. The atomic institute have been briefed that the Russians want all the nuclear plants shut down in the Ukraine. This is a long process, upto 24-48 hours. All nuclear plants will be under Russian guard as long as this war lasts.

Not that they have any business being there in the first place. Or to shell towards them. Really dumb as fck

 

[access]

I have a job, hence posts that are short and to the point. I read different viewpoints at night when the house is quiet.
I don't have the time to type essays or watch videos.

I really don't think Russia is doing this for the good of the people, again bearing in mind how they've brutally and indiscriminately bombed people in Syria and Chechnya before.

but enough time to keep reading and replying

convenient ignorance, you do you

 

[OhYeah84]

but enough time to keep reading and replying

convenient ignorance, you do you

Short and to the point. There's a difference. You should learn that.

 

[OhYeah84]

Whatever man. The atomic institute have been briefed that the Russians want all the nuclear plants shut down in the Ukraine. This is a long process, upto 24-48 hours. All nuclear plants will be under Russian guard as long as this war lasts.

Sure thing, hand them over to your Russian mates there. I mean the Ukrainians should just do without power, heating etc.
Soon to be food. Why not, right?

 

[access]

Short and to the point. There's a difference. You should learn that.

more like inadequate and dull, you should learn that difference.

actual nasizm training kids to hate and kill russians, but you keep ignoring and prancing around it.

 

[Pak Fa Fui]

Sure thing, hand them over to your Russian mates there. I mean the Ukrainians should just do without power, heating etc.
Soon to be food. Why not, right?

Well apparently in war, that’s what they do.

 

[OhYeah84]

more like inadequate and dull, you should learn that difference.

actual nasizm training kids to hate and kill russians, but you keep ignoring and prancing around it.

Yet you ignore the poor human rights record of the Russians.
Ok bot, carry on. Also, caps to start sentences...Grade 1 stuff!