No, I got your point. You're just completely wrong. Weinstein and Cosby are prime examples of men who got away with abuse for years. It was covered up by those around them and in Cosby's case the first allegations go back to 1969. He was only convicted in 2018 - nearly 50 years after. We just let this disgusting predator carry on his behaviour because we couldn't stand the thought that America's dad could do anything bad, because in our minds his public persona and real personality are indistinguishable.
You do know that Bill Cosby is not currently in prison? He got released on a technicality because a prosecutor gave him immunity, your point is rubbish. The idea that everyone just assumed he was guilty is ludicrous.
Not even MM’s girlfriend believes AH.
I specifically stated...I'm confused. You seem to agree with Cerebus that televising trials is a miscarriage of justice (for some mysterious reason)
That's a terrible example, Cosby and Weinstein got away with their crimes for years because they were very powerful men in their industry and their victims were afraid to come forward. Especially Cosby with his oh-so-wholesome reputation.
I don't agree/disagree but citing Cosby and Weinstein is not a great way to make your point.
I was simply pointing out a silly comparison.yet you are pointing out how actual miscarriage of justice takes place hidden behind closed doors and outside of public knowledge and scrutiny.
I'm confused. You seem to agree with Cerebus that televising trials is a miscarriage of justice (for some mysterious reason) yet you are pointing out how actual miscarriage of justice takes place hidden behind closed doors and outside of public knowledge and scrutiny.
Every single one of them would be sickened by Amber Heard lying about something that happened to them.I didn't say that televising all trials is a miscarriage. But this trial should never have been televised. Just step back for a hot second and imagine that Amber wasn't lying. I know she's a narcissistic abuser and it's impossible for her to be telling the truth, but just imagine if she was actually recounting events that happened to her.
Now think about the way the public response to her accounts will have affected her. She had to recount moments of horrific sexual assault, and have her physical revulsion at the memories memefied and jeered at. Now think about how other victims of sexual assault will have felt about the public response to her account, how triggering it would have been. You seem to have lost all perspective on the fact that there's a whole other world of survivors of assault out there watching what's happened with this trial and deciding how they should go ahead with their lives.
The domestic violence expert in the NBC documentary made a good point about this:
I didn't say that televising all trials is a miscarriage. But this trial should never have been televised. Just step back for a hot second and imagine that Amber wasn't lying. I know she's a narcissistic abuser and it's impossible for her to be telling the truth, but just imagine if she was actually recounting events that happened to her.
Now think about the way the public response to her accounts will have affected her. She had to recount moments of horrific sexual assault, and have her physical revulsion at the memories memefied and jeered at. Now think about how other victims of sexual assault will have felt about the public response to her account, how triggering it would have been. You seem to have lost all perspective on the fact that there's a whole other world of survivors of assault out there watching what's happened with this trial and deciding how they should go ahead with their lives.
The domestic violence expert in the NBC documentary made a good point about this:
Every single one of them would be sickened by Amber Heard lying about something that happened to them.
And again to trigger you and every other progressive: if you are abused by someone, go to the damn police.
Konfab telling abuse victims how they should feel:
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Except there's thousands of comments on youtube, twitter, facebook, instagram and news articles around the world made by actual abuse victims speaking out against Amber and expressing utter disgust at her blatant lies and the fact that she is trying to piggyback off real abuse victims for her own personal gain.
No no. You got it wrong. Johnny apologized so he is the guilty one… just like when he apologized to AH when she abused him..Just a reminder what a liar Heard is.
More karma incoming.
And here is her personality disorders coming through where she tries to blame Depp:
Perfect example of how abuse victims talk to their abusive husbands, hey @Cerberus?![]()
Lol what? Y'all obsessing over some incorrect paperwork to prove that Amber is a psychopath. Meanwhile Depp just paid off his colleague for battering him while drunk on set, you know, just like Amber said he did to her, only behind the scenes and for years. So victimly of him.
The hoops you all will jump through because you refuse to believe that the simplest narrative is also the most likely one; it boggles my mind. But sure, she faked bruises and lied to her parents and therapists, and staged scenes where they frankly discussed his abuse, and roped in witnesses, and recorded him howling drunk while he claimed he was asleep in an airplane toilet, and smashing furniture and yelling at her and throwing her phone, and got his underlings to apologize for him kicking her, and stole his iPhone to fake rapey messages after they were divorced, all while secretly abusing him without him presenting a shred of evidence to make a credible case for being a victim of abuse. Sure. It all fits when you think about how much you can't stand Amber.
Hell, if someone talked to me that way I would stand up, point to the door and tell them to get the fck out of my house in a very loud voice while walking toward them. Depp is acting in the most chilled way a person could possibly act in that situation.
Who did the recording? If it was Depp it would make sense he's so chilled as he'd want her to continue on for the recording.
The recording sounds like she's provoking him to act violently, which is not normal for abuse victims.
Maybe listen to the audio recording that I quoted instead of going on some tangent rant?
Amber Heard, the "victim of savage violent abuse who is scared for her life" gets right up in Depp's face (you can hear the footsteps) and tells him to "go suck my fking dick you fking cowardice ball-less piece of siht".
Followed by "you think I want anything to fking do with you? You think I want that fking old ass fking piece of siht? Fck you. You're a fking joke, man. And you're an embarrassment that I even came here and wasted my time trying to get you back." "Oooohh, what do you wanna say....? What do you wanna say?"
Now that you know what I'm talking about, do you think this is common in abusive relationships? For the victim to taunt and insult the abuser like that? To belittle the very person they are so frightened of? The person who at any moment might start punching them bloody without any provocation? With such fearless confidence?
And do you think it makes sense that an abusive husband who regularly beats his wife to a pulp and rapes her with broken bottles would have such a non-violent response to that?
This recording shows exactly what their relationship was like and it isn't one where Amber is scared for her life and Depp is a violent maniac.
Hell, if someone talked to me that way I would stand up, point to the door and tell them to get the fck out of my house in a very loud voice while walking toward them. Depp is acting in the most chilled way a person could possibly act in that situation.
Amber on the other hand is anything but chilled and my guess is that that is the kind of behavior that escalates to the point where she is punching him.
Physical abuse is always preceded by verbal abuse. And the fact is that Amber is the one being verbally abusive, here and in other recordings.
So when she attacks him and he defends himself, she is the victim. Got it.Yeah you know she's just not a very good victim is she? She calls him out on his bullshit, she fights back, sometimes she even starts fights.
Exactly. This shows that he would rather take out his anger at inanimate objects and by expressing it through screaming, and that he does not take it out on Amber.And sometimes when he's sober he also talks back to her calmly. But sometimes when he's drunk or high, he destroys apartments and scrawls obscene fantasies about her sleeping with her co-stars on the walls, and his fingertip gets cut off in circumstances nobody can seem to explain adequately. Sometimes he goes on a rampage in an airplane and howls like a gibbon monkey and has to apologize to everyone around him the day after and send his minions to beg Amber to stay with him.
In all of the recordings we never hear Depp verbally abusing Heard while she just sits there and takes it.All you're doing is regurgitating the same tired old myths about abuse that have been debunked a million times by experts in domestic violence, but still keep getting dragged up and used to defend abusers. And as long as you keep believing it, it's going to keep happening.
Make another thread for this.The backlash against Evan Rachel-Wood has already started online, being pushed by exactly the same people that spearheaded the campaign against Amber.
I'm just waiting for you all to jump on the bandwagon to defend Manson against his own, multiple, credible accusations of abuse.
But she's not "fighting back", she's attacking him.Domestic violence usually has a pretty simple narrative. And fighting back against someone who is abusive is not itself a form or a proof of abuse. Victims are allowed to fight back.
If they are dishonest about being abused then they are not victims of abuse, they are victims of mental problems, as we have seen doctors testify about Amber.They're even allowed to be bad people themselves; they can be slutty or dishonest or weak and pathetic or anything really.
You mean how someone who actually got punched in the face countless times and subsequently spent days in hospital and weeks recovering at home thinks that that is different to Amber who only says the got punched in the face countless times, yet didn't have a scratch on her?Abuse is multivariate. That's why it's disheartening to see so many victims siding with Depp because they don't think Amber's form of abuse is like theirs.
So when she attacks him and he defends himself, she is the victim. Got it.![]()
Exactly. This shows that he would rather take out his anger at inanimate objects and by expressing it through screaming, and that he does not take it out on Amber.
In all of the recordings we never hear Depp verbally abusing Heard while she just sits there and takes it.
What we do hear is Heard verbally abusing Depp while he just sits there and takes it.
Like I said, physical abuse comes after verbal abuse and we don't even see Depp abusing Amber verbally.
Out of all the recordings we would expect at least one where Amber is crying and Depp is being abusive, either verbally or physically, but we don't.
Make another thread for this.
But she's not "fighting back", she's attacking him.
Show me one piece of evidence where Depp is getting in Amber's face and she is trying to escape the situation.
It's always Amber who is in Depp's face and he is always the one that is trying to escape. She even mocks him for it on tape.
If they are dishonest about being abused then they are not victims of abuse, they are victims of mental problems, as we have seen doctors testify about Amber.
You mean how someone who actually got punched in the face countless times and subsequently spent days in hospital and weeks recovering at home thinks that that is different to Amber who only says the got punched in the face countless times, yet didn't have a scratch on her?
Yeah I would say those "forms of abuse" are in fact different.