F1 2019 season discussion and chat.

[caroper]

Always the Gentleman - You have to like this guy:
TWITTER:
@[B]Charles_Leclerc[/B] 3m3 minutes ago

I gave it all. Disappointed for the team but not much we could have done better. Congratulations for the win @Max33Verstappen: @motorsportpics1

 

[greg0205]

Result stands.

Now, before anyone goes asking about Canada, could y’all look over here for a moment please?

 

[greg0205]

Ferrari will be fuming, and rightfully so.
Not so much because of this incident, but the Vettel Hamilton one which should have had the same verdict.

If a decision takes three hours, it’s not technical, it’s political.

The FIA exposed themselves today.

Again.

 

[Willie Trombone]

He opened his steering to close the gap, causing a collision which forced another car off the track and gained an advantage...

Triple whammy.

Nope, definitely just followed the normal steering procedure to get around without losing momentum. He had the line and marginally had the lead.

 

[Willie Trombone]

Ferrari will be fuming, and rightfully so.
Not so much because of this incident, but the Vettel Hamilton one which should have had the same verdict.

Totally different circumstances, nobody left the track and gained advantage.

 

[Willie Trombone]

If a decision takes three hours, it’s not technical, it’s political.

The FIA exposed themselves today.

Again.

What are you talking about, decisions take a week sometimes when the teams argue their point... Wait for the appeal lol.

 

[Willie Trombone]

Always the Gentleman - You have to like this guy:
TWITTER:
@[B]Charles_Leclerc[/B] 3m3 minutes ago

I gave it all. Disappointed for the team but not much we could have done better. Congratulations for the win @Max33Verstappen: @motorsportpics1

Yeah, Charles is certainly going to win supporters with that attitude.

 

[DaDon]

If a decision takes three hours, it’s not technical, it’s political.

The FIA exposed themselves today.

Again.

100%
If Loser Hamilton was involved in anyway, this result would have been over-turned... Hell, even if a Merc was involved....
infact, this is in favour of Merc/Ham... less poins for ferrari

 

[zeb]

Totally different circumstances, nobody left the track and gained advantage.

Vettel lost control while leading. Regained control and kept the lead. Advantage nil.
As agreed upon by millions of fans and the majority of ex F1 drivers.

 

[caroper]

Vettel lost control while leading. Regained control and kept the lead. Advantage nil.
As agreed upon by millions of fans and the majority of ex F1 drivers.

@greg0205 - We need your Flashy Flashy thing .................

 

[Hamster]

100%
If Loser Hamilton was involved in anyway, this result would have been over-turned... Hell, even if a Merc was involved....
infact, this is in favour of Merc/Ham... less poins for ferrari

This “FIA are in bed with Metc” sentiment is funny. I remember the same being said about Ferrari when they were the dominant team not so long ago.

 

[Hamster]

Vettel lost control while leading. Regained control and kept the lead. Advantage nil.
As agreed upon by millions of fans and the majority of ex F1 drivers.

Can we not start this Vettel/Hamilton discussion all over again.

You'll argue Vettel was in the lead, we'll say he took the corner too fast to stay in the lead and therefore couldn't keep it, you'll bring up the experts and eventually the conversation will die when we concede that although it's 50:50 and Vettel should've been given a break, he clearly broke a rule (left the track, joined in an unsafe manner and that twitch looked intentional) and the real problem is the rule that should change as stated by team bosses involved.

(and not millions of idiotic F1 Twitter fans).

It's done, it's over and by the looks of it even Vettel has moved on.

 

[Priapus]

Verstappen keeps the win

https://www.racefans.net/2019/06/30...as-stewards-clear-him-over-leclerc-collision/

Finally, the right decision was made! So happy for Max! (And a little hope for F1)

 

[thestaggy]

Onboard footage makes it clear that Max turned in later than normal for that corner. He also made sure Leclerc could not take an optimal line through the corner and made sure there would be no room on the exit. It was the quintessential block pass.

I personally have no problem with this.

The Canada decision is still a load of BS though.

 

[caroper]

I personally have no problem with this.
The Canada decision is still a load of BS though.

The problem, in both cases, was not the driving or the drivers, they were racing incidents.
The problem lies with the rules being interpreted by lawyers and not in the spirit that they were intended to be applied.

 

[thestaggy]

The problem, in both cases, was not the driving or the drivers, they were racing incidents.
The problem lies with the rules being interpreted by lawyers and not in the spirit that they were intended to be applied.

I see both as different.

In Canada, Seb had lost control of his car and was regathering it. He had no control over that incident and this is what the stewards failed to acknowledge. They use a rigid set of guidelines and failed to place that situation in context.

Austria was pure, aggressive racing where Max was in full control of things. This is Max we are talking about. He 100% knew that those two cars were not going to make that corner. Only one car was staying on the track and it was his. He also made sure Leclerc would have no momentum to fight back.

I would have penalised neither incident.

 

[Naks]

Rosberg also got a penalty a few years ago for doing this exactly what Max did, at that very same corner.

 

[Sup3rc]

In both cases, Ferrari should have kept the 1 sec distance from the cars behind them. They couldn't and they lost places. They were not the fastest cars at the end of the day. If you want to win you need to keep the car behind you, out of DRS at least. At the moment they just don't have the complete package. Max was a beast. He didn't just overtake Le Clerc on Sunday and that from a bad start. Everyone should know his style by now, he will create his own space. Ferrari must improve their whole package. It was a very good race. I still support Ferrari, but they must stop complaining and start racing.

Schumacher vs Kimi France 2002 at 24:10. Not exactly the same, but you'll eat dirt if you can't improve or make a mistake.

 

[Naks]

This “FIA are in bed with Metc” sentiment is funny. I remember the same being said about Ferrari when they were the dominant team not so long ago.

except that was true, I refer you to the aftermath of the 2003 Hungarian GP. And we all know how the rest of the season turned out...

 

[thestaggy]

Rosberg also got a penalty a few years ago for doing this exactly what Max did, at that very same corner.

Correct, ''late apex'' when he ran Ham wide.