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Naks

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How similar are the Racing Point and Mercedes brake ducts? https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/racing-point-mercedes-brake-duct/4833399/





"... Rather than complain about the general cloning of the Mercedes, Renault has instead opted to focus on the specifics of the team’s front and rear brake ducts.

It is clear that rivals have closely observed the similarities between the RP20 and last year’s Mercedes W10, and Renault feels that there are enough similarities with the brake ducts to consider them a copy.

At the rear of the car, the overall design of the brake drum, inlet scoop, vertical end fence and associated winglets is uncanny.

Meanwhile, at the front of the car, there will generally be more changes made throughout the course of a season, with the amount of cooling altered to suit the characteristics of the circuit.

This also means that the teams often have to change the configuration of the drum to offset the cooling capacity with their aerodynamic demands. The W10 sported at least four distinctly different designs throughout the course of the season.

You can see from this comparison image above that it had at least one design which is similar, if not the same, as the ones used on the W10.

Small geometrical differences between the Racing Point and Mercedes ducts on the outside may be sufficient to placate the FIA’s technical representative, however.

But should they be identical on the inside with channelling – something which can only be copied with inside knowledge – then that will only strengthen Renault’s case,

Marrying the internal flow structures will have a significant aerodynamic and thermodynamic impact, a gap that would be difficult to bridge for any of the smaller teams.

It will also be interesting to see if Mercedes has been requested to supply just one of its brake duct designs, or all of them that were raced throughout 2019, as there were discernible differences between them.

Listed parts
Brake ducts on F1 cars are incredibly complex, and is especially important because under the 2020 Formula 1 regulations they fall under the category of ‘Listed Parts’.

This means that unlike suspension and brake assemblies that teams are allowed to purchase from one another, the design of the brake ducts must be their own and not sourced from another competitor or third party.

Any ‘Listed Parts’ designed by a competitor or third party means it also retains exclusive rights over the design, as long as it competes in Formula 1. That cannot then be used by another team.

Based on Renault’s protest, the FIA has sealed and impounded the relevant parts from Racing Point’s cars and has asked a representative of the Technical Department to conduct a thorough analysis and report back to the stewards.

The representative is also authorised to call upon outside technical assistance, including representatives of Racing Point, Renault and Mercedes.

The stewards have also ordered Mercedes to provide the front and rear brake ducts used on the W10 during 2019 in order that the FIA Technical Department may use them for their comparative analysis...."
 

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Italian press are slaughtering Ferrari.

Translation: "That's what we counted down to the season, and Ferrari has already lost. No car, no philosophy, no drivers: Vettel is completely confused after his contract situation and Leclerc thinks he's still driving in virtual races online. This is the darkness.


Translation: "The Ferrari nightmare - SF1000 has no future. 'Murphy's Law' will soon be called 'Ferrari Law'. If there's a chance that something is going to go wrong, it will. Yesterday we had a remake of what happened in Brazil, and Leclerc left the curtain."

 

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Italian press are slaughtering Ferrari.

Translation: "That's what we counted down to the season, and Ferrari has already lost. No car, no philosophy, no drivers: Vettel is completely confused after his contract situation and Leclerc thinks he's still driving in virtual races online. This is the darkness.


Translation: "The Ferrari nightmare - SF1000 has no future. 'Murphy's Law' will soon be called 'Ferrari Law'. If there's a chance that something is going to go wrong, it will. Yesterday we had a remake of what happened in Brazil, and Leclerc left the curtain."

Sad reality is that Leclerc showed that he isn't fit to be a number one driver in a team. He made sim racing moves in a real race took his team mate and himself out and played the Media by calling himself an *******. He didn't call himself an ******* because that is is true feelings, he did it because his PR team told him to do it. Vettel had to play the nice guy to keep any hopes of a drive for 2021 alive. Ferrari have basically taken a step back and decided that anther step back is a good idea. Hopefully RB or Mclaren can challenge next year, Ferrari will still be fighting it self.
 

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Sad reality is that Leclerc showed that he isn't fit to be a number one driver in a team. He made sim racing moves in a real race took his team mate and himself out and played the Media by calling himself an *******. He didn't call himself an ******* because that is is true feelings, he did it because his PR team told him to do it. Vettel had to play the nice guy to keep any hopes of a drive for 2021 alive. Ferrari have basically taken a step back and decided that anther step back is a good idea. Hopefully RB or Mclaren can challenge next year, Ferrari will still be fighting it self.
Nah, don't agree with your assessment of LeClerc at all. He has consistently berated himself over poor performances, it's basically a hallmark of his characte in F1 thus far. He made a terribel mistake, no disagreement there, but he's made far less of those than his seasoned colleague, this year alone.
 

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Sad reality is that Leclerc showed that he isn't fit to be a number one driver in a team. He made sim racing moves in a real race took his team mate and himself out and played the Media by calling himself an *******. He didn't call himself an ******* because that is is true feelings, he did it because his PR team told him to do it. Vettel had to play the nice guy to keep any hopes of a drive for 2021 alive. Ferrari have basically taken a step back and decided that anther step back is a good idea. Hopefully RB or Mclaren can challenge next year, Ferrari will still be fighting it self.
LeClerc really wasn't trying to make an overtake, he just went in a little bit too deep which reduced his options in a congested corner. Vettel for the most part looked like he would be going round the outside of the car ahead so from LeClerc's PoV there would have been space. What he could not have seen (but should have accounted for since it was lap 1) was that Vettel was being squeezed by the another car on his left (looking to get a straighter exit on the corner). Vettel is then forced to also go for a tighter line (which he may have done anyway), and then LeClerc has got nowhere to go.
 

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While they are a tabloid, Bild has a reputation for having some pretty accurate sources in sports and are often first to leak major Bundesliga news.

Vettel to Aston Martin 2021?

Apparently Perez has a void clause on his contract that can be triggered before 31 July. Would suck for Perez, he is pretty much the reason why Force India/Racing Point are the team they are, for a long time he was the ''best of the rest''.

 
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Apparently the Vettel to Aston Martin Racing Force India Point is a done deal BUT could that be another car that will be clamped down on the FIA for "cheating"?
 

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F***, that is terrible for Perez.

IMHO, they will regret that decision, Vettel is not the driver he (never) used to be.
 

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Stewards request parts from Racing Point and Mercedes following Renault protest: https://www.racefans.net/2020/07/12...point-and-mercedes-following-renault-protest/


"... the Stewards summoned and
heard from the team representatives of both teams and a representative of the FIA Technical
Department. The Stewards determined that the protest met all requirements specified in Article 13 of
the FIA International Sporting Code and is, therefore, admissible.
The FIA Technical Department representative was directed to seal and impound the relevant parts of
cars 11 and 18 in preparation for conducting a detailed analysis of those pieces. The representative
is further directed to provide a detailed report to the Stewards with the findings and to include an
assessment that matches those findings against the alleged infringements outlined in the protest.
The representative is authorized in the name of the Stewards to call upon such outside technical
assistance, including representatives of the following teams
– Renault DP World F1 Team
– BWT Racing Point F1 Team
– Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 Team
in the conduct of their assessment.
Furthermore, the Stewards ordered the Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 Team to provide the front and
rear brake air ducts of the Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+ used by the Mercedes-AMG
Petronas F1 Team in the 2019 season to the FIA Technical Department for examination. "
So the FIA once again admits it's failure in the original protest.
 

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Vettel wanted to race a mercedes.
If these rumors are true, he might've settled for a pink Merc..
 

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Mercedes has the most powerful engine: 20 hp more than Honda: https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-mercedes-ha-il-motore-piu-potente-20-cv-piu-di-honda/4834560/

"The phonometric surveys carried out during the Styrian GP confirmed that Mercedes has resumed leadership in the field of engines. Honda is a short distance away, but cannot bridge the gap. And Ferrari?Two Grands Prix at Spielberg and a clear scenario is outlined: Mercedes dominates, Red Bull chases and Ferrari has lost, while McLaren and Renault grow. This is the photograph of the current Formula 1.

Motorsport.com, however, is able to go further by having the phonometric survey data on the engines that was carried out on Sunday during the Styrian GP. The harakiri of the two Ferraris at turn 4 of Spielberg unfortunately prevented us from collecting the power data of the 065/2 power unit, depriving us of the most awaited value to clarify the actual value of the "deflated" engine of the Cavallino.

The first thing that deserves to be reported is that the Mercedes F1 M11 EQ Performance power unit also in the 2020 season comes to deliver a power of almost 1,000 horses. This is a peak that was felt only in the first laps, because then Lewis Hamilton took a step to control the race by choosing less pushed mappings to avoid stressing the thermal 6-cylinder and it was enough for Valtteri Bottas to go back to second place to deliver the first brace of the W11 to Stella.

Red Bull has never been in the game for the victory: Max Verstappen, despite a strenuous resistance in the first attack by Bottas in comeback, had to surrender to the clear superiority of the black arrows. The RB16, in fact, has to deal with a Honda engine that pays 20 horses from the unit managed by the starter Andy Cowell.

In terms of maximum power it is not a big gap, measurable in a couple of tenths at the most, but the differences emerge during the race: according to the rumors that we have collected Hamilton completed the distance of 71 laps of the Red Bull Ring with a dozen of kilos of petrol in the tank, a sign that the managers of Brackley did not want to take the strategy to the extreme on a non-demanding track for fuel consumption on which 106 kg (out of 110 granted) should be enough to finish the race.

Different the matter for the Japanese who at some point had to reduce the pace of the Red Bull RB16 because the Japanese unit is more thirsty (or started with less petrol in the tank) and Verstappen closed the GP almost dry.

This is the unmistakable sign that Mercedes has resumed its engine leadership, after suffering the hard attack of Ferrari: despite the further reduction in oil consumption (dropped to 0.3 liters x 100 km) that in winter tests it had put the lubrication system has difficulty with the main bearing failures, the Mercedes F1 M11 EQ Performance testifies to a growth that is also confirmed by the performance of the Racing Point and Williams (Russell got nailed from the last row).

What about the Renault engine? Since we were in the hybrid era, he has always been the most mistreated. The E-Tech-20 is actually nothing more than the unit that ended the world championship last year: it is a power unit that seems to have reached a good reliability threshold, paying 35 horsepower from the best Mercedes. We are talking about an engine, therefore, which is not far from the Japanese Honda one.

On the RS20 an engine cooling problem was repeated in Styria: Esteban Ocon was called to the pits for an intentional withdrawal due to the breakdown of a radiator that caused the water temperatures to rise (it reaches 120 degrees without problems being the system under pressure). It worries that this is the same break that Daniel Ricciardo had stopped in the Austrian GP the week before. The curiosity is to find out where the Ferrari 065/2 fits into this scenario: we will probably have answers from Hungary ..."
 

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Italian press are slaughtering Ferrari.

Translation: "That's what we counted down to the season, and Ferrari has already lost. No car, no philosophy, no drivers: Vettel is completely confused after his contract situation and Leclerc thinks he's still driving in virtual races online. This is the darkness.


Translation: "The Ferrari nightmare - SF1000 has no future. 'Murphy's Law' will soon be called 'Ferrari Law'. If there's a chance that something is going to go wrong, it will. Yesterday we had a remake of what happened in Brazil, and Leclerc left the curtain."

And so continues Ferrari's downward spiral, because as vociferous as the Tifosi can be in victory, they are equally vociferous in defeat. When things go bad they will kill you. Fair weather supporters.
 
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