F1 2021: New season discussion and chat

[thestaggy]

Max given a 10 second penalty for causing a collision.

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At turn 21 the driver of car 33 was given the instruction to give back a position to car 44 and was told by the team to do so “strategically”.

Car 33 slowed significantly at turn 26. However, it was obvious that neither driver wanted to take the lead prior to DRS detection line 3.

The driver of Car 33 stated that he was wondering why Car 44 had not overtaken and the driver of Car 44 stated that, not having been aware at that stage that Car 33 was giving the position back, was unaware of the reason Car 33 was slowing.

In deciding to penalise the driver of Car 33, the key point for the Stewards was that the driver of Car 33 then braked suddenly (69 bar) and significantly, resulting in 2.4g deceleration.

Whilst accepting that the driver of Car 44 could have overtaken Car 33 when that car first slowed, we understand why he (and the driver of Car 33) did not wish to be the first to cross the DRS.

However, the sudden braking by the driver of Car 33 was determined by the Stewards to be erratic and hence the predominant cause of the collision and hence the standard penalty of 10 seconds for this type of incident, is imposed.

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Lol. FIA coped hard on that one.

"We acknowledge that Lewis could've overtaken and we acknowledge that both drivers were playing games in order to have DRS, but we're gonna penalise Max anyway"

 

[RedDevil7108]

 

[Craig_]

That's not the issue for me though. Regardless of whether Lewis was informed or not, he still sat behind a slowing Max instead of just...pulling out and driving by. Almost needless to have found himself in that situation.

Yup exactly. When a car is slowing in front (whether the leader or a backmarker), you pass. It's not rocket science.

Abu Dhabi may actually finally be a decent race for a change.

He did a 2.4g brake check, that's hardly just slowing down is it, that's full on dangerous. This dirty Max is a risk to others on the circuit.

 

[JohnStarr]

He did a 2.4g brake check, that's hardly just slowing down is it, that's full on dangerous. This dirty Max is a risk to others on the circuit.

Nope, only to Lewie.

I love how a big song and dance it being done by the Hammie fans about a bit of a broken front wing, yet when Hammie punted Max into the wall at 51G, it was a racing incident.
And clear that was Verstappen's fault too. 10s penalty for shunting someone into a wall; 10 second penalty for braking suddenly.

It's only the inconsistent FIA that continues to polarise people. If they'd been more consistent we would probably all have been lauding this season as they best one in years instead of arguing the merits of something we don't have much of a clue on.

But damn, my driver got taken out TWICE yesterday. I rate RBR just need to get Vettel back if they want any chance of winning championships consistently again

 

[Craig_]

Nope, only to Lewie.

I love how a big song and dance it being done by the Hammie fans about a bit of a broken front wing, yet when Hammie punted Max into the wall at 51G, it was a racing incident.
And clear that was Verstappen's fault too. 10s penalty for shunting someone into a wall; 10 second penalty for braking suddenly.

It's only the inconsistent FIA that continues to polarise people. If they'd been more consistent we would probably all have been lauding this season as they best one in years instead of arguing the merits of something we don't have much of a clue on.

But damn, my driver got taken out TWICE yesterday. I rate RBR just need to get Vettel back if they want any chance of winning championships consistently again

Brake checking at the speeds they do could be deadly, he's lucky he didn't get a harsher penalty.

 

[Speedster]

Brake checking at the speeds they do could be deadly, he's lucky he didn't get a harsher penalty.

If it was indeed a break test, HAM clearly failed

 

[Archer]

Brake checking at the speeds they do could be deadly, he's lucky he didn't get a harsher penalty.

Wakakakaka
These are the mental gymnastics I'm here for.
F1 drivers can survive 50G impacts, but a crash at 120km/h, that is DEADLY!

 

[JohnStarr]

Brake checking at the speeds they do could be deadly, he's lucky he didn't get a harsher penalty.

Um, the guy (Hamilton) changed down gears 2, 3 times? Can he not compute the guy was slowing down? Put the bias aside and give it a think...a REAL think. It does make a person wonder why he continued. And Merc are also at fault here for not telling him.
I'd have pulled across to overtake someone who I saw had slowed down significantly. Otherwise it would be my fault if I didn't and crashed into the back of them.

 

[Archer]

And as another poster commented, the FIA used the same wording as Silverstone with "predominant blame" lying with the one driver. So if Max was doing "deadly" things here, Ham was being deadly in Silverstone too.

 

[Priapus]

Let's all just m move on, shall we? What's done is done.

Lewis is taking his 8th WDC next weekend, so there's that. What a season it has been.

 

[Archer]

Let's all just m move on, shall we? What's done is done.

Lewis is taking his 8th WDC next weekend, so there's that. What a season it has been.

You must be new here

 

[caroper]

Well I am happy with the FIA ruling.
Justice was done, there are no loose ends and the penalty did not change the outcome of the on track battle.
We still go to the next race with a clean slate and both drivers know that they are being monitored for dirty tactics.

 

[dj2381]

Either penalize both or neither, both of them are idiots, Hamilton needs to stop being a cry baby and Verstappen needs to get his anger under control.

 

[2023]

Either penalize both or neither, both of them are idiots, Hamilton needs to stop being a cry baby and Verstappen needs to get his anger under control.

It would be a bit boring if this happened.

 

[JohnStarr]

Wakakakaka
These are the mental gymnastics I'm here for.
F1 drivers can survive 50G impacts, but a crash at 120km/h, that is DEADLY!

Er, Mazepin crashed into Russell who had also slowed down tremendously at over 200km/h. Walked away from that one.
Verstappen was punted into a wall at 260km/h+ and managed to get out of it.

Seems to be a slight case of Overexxageritis.

 

[Pineapple Smurf]

Was not a break check
He was been cautious to not enter the DRS zone at the wrong time

 

[Craig_]

Um, the guy (Hamilton) changed down gears 2, 3 times? Can he not compute the guy was slowing down? Put the bias aside and give it a think...a REAL think. It does make a person wonder why he continued. And Merc are also at fault here for not telling him.
I'd have pulled across to overtake someone who I saw had slowed down significantly. Otherwise it would be my fault if I didn't and crashed into the back of them.

The stewards penalized him for it so I'm assuming they know more than you or me.

 

[caroper]

But Fittipaldi did not walkaway from colliding with a stationary car an hour or two before the Verstappen incident.
The stewards had a lot on their plate yesterday and the potential worst case scenario of Verstappen's action was fresh on their minds.

 

[JohnStarr]

The stewards penalized him for it so I'm assuming they know more than you or me.

OK, so you're not prepared to give it a think then. Probably too early in the week.

Have a good one.

 

[Icemanbrfc]

Ferrrai still ahead of McLaren... Lets goooo