F1 2021: New season discussion and chat

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The one thing that you have to give credit to Lulu is that he plays the politics and the media extremely well, he learnt from the best of them in his first year, dealing with Alonso.

By contrast Max is a no-nonsense kind of guy.

But he has to calm down a bit, like Brundle says.
 
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Naks said:
Brundle's take: https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/1...-what-a-title-showdown-well-have-in-abu-dhabi

"... Max slowed and initially gave space in the curvy run down to the T27 hairpin. Lewis hadn't yet been informed but he must have been expecting something as his story of 'I didn't know what was happening so I didn't pass him' doesn't add up because if Max had technical issues and was dropping out of the race, Lewis would have normally just sailed past. He instinctively smelt tactics and danger.

I believe Max initially made a genuine effort to let Lewis through but when he realised that they were both planning to be second over the impending DRS detection line to gain advantage down the pit straight, and with Lewis now on his rear bumper, he angrily hit the brakes at 69 bar momentarily generating 2.4G deceleration, nearly half that normally generated into a heavy braking zone for a high speed approach to a hairpin, and then pinned the throttle. ..."
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I think that about sums it up really. Lewis has been racing pretty craftily for years now. He'd have to have known this was the plan by Verstappen.
 
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BadBoyGP said:
At that speed, I highly doubt he will be able to generate that much g while braking.

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Lol...but they do! And you can see that when they're showing a car on a flying lap, or in-race. They actually show you the G-forces experienced from braking and normal cornering.
 
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Sure he could've but there still was no reason for Max to break like that especially since he was well aware where Lewis was - It's not racing.
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Watch the video and listen.

There are 5 seconds of deceleration before contact. 5 seconds in F1 is a lifetime.

Even the stewards acknowledged this point; Lewis could've overtaken. He chose not to. He chose to sit behind a slowing car. He can only blame himself for being in that situation.

Yes, Max jabbed the brakes right at the end, but there was ample time and space to pull out and overtake before that. It was a sequence of asinine driving from both drivers.
 
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JohnMao said:
I think that about sums it up really. Lewis has been racing pretty craftily for years now. He'd have to have known this was the plan by Verstappen.
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I think that about sums it up really. Lewis has been cruising pretty craftily for years now. He'd have to have known this was the plan by Verstappen.
... i thought i'll just correct it since noboby really challenged him for the world title since Rosberg. ;)
 
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Gramps66 said:
I think that about sums it up really. Lewis has been cruising pretty craftily for years now. He'd have to have known this was the plan by Verstappen.
... i thought i'll just correct it since noboby really challenged him for the world title since Rosberg. ;)
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I was very surprised Rosberg retired, but what a middle finger and a GFY from Rosberg to Hamilton for doing that. How many times in F1 history did a reigning F1 champ do that?
Let's not forget him blocking Alonso in qualifying, and when Alonso stayed in the pit stall and delayed Hamilton, it was Alonso who got punished.

Watch Alonso next year. He's a dangerously good driver. I'd honestly love to see Vettel in a competitive car as well. AMR just seemed to have done something this year, but after that 2nd place Vettel got was scrapped, they've dropped off. Hopefully they're focussing on next year. Alpine will also be one to watch.
 
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thestaggy said:
Watch the video and listen.

There are 5 seconds of deceleration before contact. 5 seconds in F1 is a lifetime.

Even the stewards acknowledged this point; Lewis could've overtaken. He chose not to. He chose to sit behind a slowing car. He can only blame himself for being in that situation.

Yes, Max jabbed the brakes right at the end, but there was ample time and space to pull out and overtake before that. It was a sequence of asinine driving from both drivers.
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Max could've chosen to drive into a wall too and that way lewis could've avoided him breaking. The issue is not the behaviour of both drivers it's the break-check.
 
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quovadis said:
Max could've chosen to drive into a wall too and that way lewis could've avoided him breaking. The issue is not the behaviour of both drivers it's the break-check.
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Gotcha. Sound logic following a slowing car with space to overtake.
 
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thestaggy said:
Gotcha. Sound logic following a slowing car with space to overtake.
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Sounds like a new rule needs to be made.

Regulation 33

If a driver is told to give a position back on track this must be done under green flag conditions on the next lap on the home straight and be completed fully before reaching the start/finish line. The overtaken car cannot attempt a re-overtake until after turn 1 is passed.

The driver to be overtaken must move fully to the left of the racing line and reduce power by 50%. The overtaking car must stay on the racing line and may maintain 100% power level.
 
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Dave said:
Sounds like a new rule needs to be made.

Regulation 33

If a driver is told to give a position back on track this must be done under green flag conditions on the next lap on the home straight and be completed fully before reaching the start/finish line. The overtaken car cannot attempt a re-overtake until after turn 1 is passed.

The driver to be overtaken must move fully to the left of the racing line and reduce power by 50%. The overtaking car must stay on the racing line and may maintain 100% power level.
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I'm good at figuring out the ways to abuse things

So you overtake me (we're fighting for first position) and must give the position back... I'll then drive super duper slow for the rest of the lap, allowing my teammate in third to also catch up. Now we both overtake you on the pit straight
 
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I'm good at figuring out the ways to abuse things

So you overtake me (we're fighting for first position) and must give the position back... I'll then drive super duper slow for the rest of the lap, allowing my teammate in third to also catch up. Now we both overtake you on the pit straight
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Firstly, isn't it already against the regs to drive unnecessarily slowly in the race? And secondly, as I said, the car being overtaking cannot attempt a re-overtake until both cars have passed turn 1.

There are probably better ways of doing it, but that was all of five minutes of thinking ;)
 
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