F1 2021: New season discussion and chat

[Willie Trombone]

Pretty amazing that he was able to extract such abnormal performance from his car at that moment. If only he was able to brake as hard at other times he'd be unbeatable

2.4 Gs while already driving slowly is considerable. That's called erratic braking - it's unexpected.
He was trying to make Lewis do something he didn't want to do. He was trying to control the race, sadly he chose to drive erratically. If he'd used his head, he would have just carried on driving slowly until Lewis was instructed to take the place or take a penalty for slow driving himself, but Max doesn't think with his head sometimes. He's not a prost, he's more a senna. Put two of those on the track and that's what you get.

 

[Willie Trombone]

You clearly have zero ability to delineate. I'm out. Wake me up when you've grown up.

That sounds awfully similar to "I'm not playing anymore".

 

[Speedster]

2.4 Gs while already driving slowly is considerable. That's called erratic braking - it's unexpected.
He was trying to make Lewis do something he didn't want to do. He was trying to control the race, sadly he chose to drive erratically. If he'd used his head, he would have just carried on driving slowly until Lewis was instructed to take the place or take a penalty for slow driving himself, but Max doesn't think with his head sometimes. He's not a prost, he's more a senna. Put two of those on the track and that's what you get.

I thought you said 2.4G was beyond normal braking for an F1 car?

 

[quovadis]

intention
Yet to be shown.

Because Max could not foresee that such an action would result in what occurred? Come on.

 

[thestaggy]

You can say what should've been but that's still irrelevant. You're arguing what someone should do in order to avoid what shouldn't have occurred.

Yes. Following a slowing car instead of overtaking is something that should not have happened.

By slowing down, Max, up until the last moments when he braked excessively, was complying and attempting to yield position.

 

[Naks]

 

[Dave]

Pretty amazing that he was able to extract such abnormal performance from his car at that moment. If only he was able to brake as hard at other times he'd be unbeatable

If I knew what you were trying to say I'd possibly have a reply.

 

[Defonotaltaccount]

Because Max could not foresee that such an action would result in what occurred? Come on.

Just show me the intent.
Not his ability to predict the future.
If you show intent then i can give you a rare Bottas pic.

 

[Dave]

Just show me the intent.
Not his ability to predict the future.
If you show intent then i can give you a rare Bottas pic.

You're as bad as the anti-vaxxer covidiots...

 

[Defonotaltaccount]

You're as bad as the anti-vaxxer covidiots...

So no proof.
Comparisons el ludicroso ?
Hah !
You zir believe in flat earth !




Still no intent shown.
0% forecast for coming days.

 

[quovadis]

Yes. Following a slowing car instead of overtaking is something that should not have happened.

By slowing down, Max, up until the last moments when he braked excessively, was complying and attempting to yield position.

Strategically choosing the time to overtake a slower vehicle is perfectly legal within the context of this situation. Breaking erratically is not. The issue is not with either driving slowing down - it was the erratic breaking leading to a collision. Hence... The.. Penalty.

 

[Willie Trombone]

Marko apologises: 'Was obviously not correct, I'm sorry about that'

After the Saudi Arabian Grand Prix Helmut Marko was quick to point the finger at Lewis Hamilton for his collision Max Verstappen's Red Bull. However, the Austrian team's advisor now has to admit he was wrong.

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After the Saudi Arabian Grand Prix Helmut Marko was quick to point the finger at Lewis Hamilton for his collision Max Verstappen's Red Bull. However, the Austrian team's advisor now has to admit he was wrong.
On the radio, Hamilton spoke of a brake test by Verstappen, prompting Marko to say in front of the cameras that there was no brake test and that the brake pressure remained the same according to the data of the Red Bull engineers. According to Marko, Hamilton had simply misjudged the situation.
Later at the stewards' meeting it became clear that Verstappen did apply his brakes harder when Hamilton was right behind him, which earned the Red Bull driver a ten second time penalty. Marko therefore had to retract his statements. "At the time of the television interviews, I passed on exactly the information I had received from the engineers beforehand," he told F1 Insider. "That was obviously not correct, so I'm sorry for that."

 

[Willie Trombone]

I thought you said 2.4G was beyond normal braking for an F1 car?

I think the problem is right there.

 

[quovadis]

Just show me the intent.
Not his ability to predict the future.
If you show intent then i can give you a rare Bottas pic.

I'm pretty sure basic intent is covered by Max knowing that his action reasonably could result in a collision - which it did.

 

[Willie Trombone]

This is what Verstappen said in 2019 about Senna and Prost's decisive collision

<p><a href="/en/f1-drivers/max-verstappen">Max Verstappen</a> and <a href="/en/f1-drivers/lewis-hamilton">Lewis Hamilton</a> both have a chance to become world championship this weekend while the rivalry between them and their respective teams is bigger than ever. Verstappen is automatically...

www.gpblog.com

A video from 2019 shows various drivers reacting to the incident between Ayrton Senna and Alain Prost during the 1990 Japanese Grand Prix. The race was marred by a collision between the two rivals, which decided the world championship. Senna became world champion for the second time after both drivers were unable to complete the race due to damage to the cars. In 1989, another collision between the two resulted in championship success for the Frenchman.

Verstappen and Pierre Gasly watch the video just like Carlos Sainz and Lando Norris. In response, the Dutchman asks Gasly, "What would you have done in this scenario?" He admits that he would have done the same after which the Dutchman says: "I mean why not?".
...
Guess what we have to look forward to next race?

 

[Agent_Smith]

This is what Verstappen said in 2019 about Senna and Prost's decisive collision

<p><a href="/en/f1-drivers/max-verstappen">Max Verstappen</a> and <a href="/en/f1-drivers/lewis-hamilton">Lewis Hamilton</a> both have a chance to become world championship this weekend while the rivalry between them and their respective teams is bigger than ever. Verstappen is automatically...

www.gpblog.com

A video from 2019 shows various drivers reacting to the incident between Ayrton Senna and Alain Prost during the 1990 Japanese Grand Prix. The race was marred by a collision between the two rivals, which decided the world championship. Senna became world champion for the second time after both drivers were unable to complete the race due to damage to the cars. In 1989, another collision between the two resulted in championship success for the Frenchman.

Verstappen and Pierre Gasly watch the video just like Carlos Sainz and Lando Norris. In response, the Dutchman asks Gasly, "What would you have done in this scenario?" He admits that he would have done the same after which the Dutchman says: "I mean why not?".
...
Guess what we have to look forward to next race?

I asked this a few posts ago...

 

[Willie Trombone]

'Shame if Verstappen is labelled an unfair driver later on'.

Martin Brundle has spoken in his column for Sky Sports of his admiration for the qualities of Max Verstappen, but finds it unfortunate that the Red Bull Racing driver is tempted to commit 'professional transgressions'.

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Martin Brundle has spoken in his column for Sky Sports of his admiration for the qualities of Max Verstappen, but finds it unfortunate that the Red Bull Racing driver is tempted to commit 'professional transgressions'.

'I'm in awe of Verstappen's driving skills and racing nous, and have championed him since the Chinese Grand Prix of 2015 when he was in the Toro Rosso. His touch and control behind the wheel is something to behold, but it saddens me that he's resorting to such tactics, he's better than that.''

''And for all his carefree attitude it will be such a shame if his legacy is to be labelled as an unfair driver. Ayrton Senna and Michael Schumacher had their faults too, and I was on the receiving end from both of them on occasions, but it's a sizeable dent on their immense reputations, not a positive'', concludes Brundle.

 

[Willie Trombone]

I asked this a few posts ago...

It's definitely going to be a blot on his record in some eyes. If you can't win without bending the rules you just shouldn't. There's always demolition derby if rules aren't your thing.

 

[Sinbad]

'Shame if Verstappen is labelled an unfair driver later on'.

Martin Brundle has spoken in his column for Sky Sports of his admiration for the qualities of Max Verstappen, but finds it unfortunate that the Red Bull Racing driver is tempted to commit 'professional transgressions'.

www.gpblog.com

Martin Brundle has spoken in his column for Sky Sports of his admiration for the qualities of Max Verstappen, but finds it unfortunate that the Red Bull Racing driver is tempted to commit 'professional transgressions'.

'I'm in awe of Verstappen's driving skills and racing nous, and have championed him since the Chinese Grand Prix of 2015 when he was in the Toro Rosso. His touch and control behind the wheel is something to behold, but it saddens me that he's resorting to such tactics, he's better than that.''

''And for all his carefree attitude it will be such a shame if his legacy is to be labelled as an unfair driver. Ayrton Senna and Michael Schumacher had their faults too, and I was on the receiving end from both of them on occasions, but it's a sizeable dent on their immense reputations, not a positive'', concludes Brundle.

Lol and even with that "sizeable dent" they are much better regarded than Brundle.

 

[Willie Trombone]

Lol and even with that "sizeable dent" they are much better regarded than Brundle.

Yeah, not sure why you'd compare Verstappen to Brundle. Brundle on the grid walk is epic tho.