F1 2021: New season discussion and chat

[Yats]

Like i said, only an issue when it affects Lewis

Why was Lewis given a warning by the stewards in the latter part of the race?

 

[JuliusSeizure]

Why was Lewis given a warning by the stewards in the latter part of the race?

Hamilton has got his fair share of penalties throughout his career. Some people seem to think that the FIA has some sort of conspiracy to allow him to win, lol.

But naturally, the legends do attract hate.

 

[Willie Trombone]

Our definition of no 2 must be different.

 

[Willie Trombone]

I'd rather be a kid playing tv games then support that chump
Sir Loser Po3silton does it again, rules favouring the chump...

So you're a kid playing TV games then? Welcome to the forum. Does mom know you're on here? Do we have to add spoiler tags to the naughty posts in here?

 

[UrBaN963]

 

[BadBoyGP]

Hamilton has got his fair share of penalties throughout his career. Some people seem to think that the FIA has some sort of conspiracy to allow him to win, lol.

But naturally, the legends do attract hate.

Easily more for then against.

Hamilton is the blue eyed boy...

Smug, kak attitude... since joining brawn he has been absolutely unbearable.

Good racer- yes, best in the field-not by a long shot.

 

[Craig_]

That guy doesn't belong in F1, that is clear.

 

[JohnStarr]

Mazepin is a dunce, jeez.
Vettel...well, looked to have pace and then the AMR didn't. Same with Stroll. When they're ahead of a car they're great, but when overtaken they drop off.
Max had taken that position fair and square and it was clear his tyres were going off the boil. This was evidenced when he understeered badly 1km down the road. He should just have explained it that way really.
Bottas getting stuffed up again in his pit stop. It's either a useless crew or him being ahead of the blue-eyed boy and they cannot have that.
Perez was brilliant...he'd have challenged those Mercs more if his car hadn't given him issues, and Max needs to watch him too.
Ferrari - much improved but still not there.
McLaren - very good showing.
Alpine - hell, Alonso still has it! Pity his car packed up.
Alfa - clearly benefitting from a better Ferrari engine, and Kimi drove a great race too.

 

[Hamster]

The only thing wrong with the brilliant racing driver that is Hamilton is that Lewis guy.

 

[sox63]

I think I am going to place a bet on a Bottas drivers championship this year. If racing will be that close for the year between Hamilton and Verstappen, they will cancel each other out at some races and Bottas just has to be there to pick up the pieces a la Kimi in 2007 when Hamilton and Alonso were going at it

Edit: Outside bet that is...

 

[Willie Trombone]

I think I am going to place a bet on a Bottas drivers championship this year. If racing will be that close for the year between Hamilton and Verstappen, they will cancel each other out at some races and Bottas just has to be there to pick up the pieces a la Kimi in 2007 when Hamilton and Alonso were going at it

Edit: Outside bet that is...

Bottas will be fighting for third with Sainz.

 

[Willie Trombone]

Easily more for then against.

Hamilton is the blue eyed boy...

Smug, kak attitude... since joining brawn he has been absolutely unbearable.

Good racer- yes, best in the field-not by a long shot.

Nah, he's the best.

 

[Archer]

So someone keen on reddit posted a video that shows Hamilton went wide in turn 4 29 times. The bestest driver just likes that route more because it is more scenic of course, not because he was able to extract an advantage out of it. So you're sitting with a situation where either the rules changed mid race, or the stewards magically remembered article 27.3 mid race and now felt like enforcing it while giving the people who had abused it up until then a free pass.

I'm actually wondering if the FIA do this stuff deliberately since they know it has a high change of creating controversy

 

[thestaggy]

Michael Masi - "It was clear to everyone that we would not monitor it during the race. But then we saw that some teams were abusing it, doing it every lap, that was not the intention."

Big brain time. What did they think the drivers would do after telling them you won't be monitoring track limits?

 

[thestaggy]

Hamilton and Verstappen unhappy with “very confusing” mid-race changes in track limit rules​

They could not do it qualifying because it would've resulted in deleted lap times. Confirmation that running wide there was deemed to be advantageous, whether you passed someone or shaved a tenth off your lap time.

During the race Verstappen was encouraged to start abusing the track limits by the team after he saw Hamilton repeatedly do it, asking his team ''How is that legal?''.

Throughout the race Toto Wolff was in contact with Michael Masi about the limits at turn 4 and he was told that it was okay for drivers to abuse it. Until it suddenly wasn't.

 

[JohnStarr]

So someone keen on reddit posted a video that shows Hamilton went wide in turn 4 29 times. The bestest driver just likes that route more because it is more scenic of course, not because he was able to extract an advantage out of it. So you're sitting with a situation where either the rules changed mid race, or the stewards magically remembered article 27.3 mid race and now felt like enforcing it while giving the people who had abused it up until then a free pass.

I'm actually wondering if the FIA do this stuff deliberately since they know it has a high change of creating controversy

Well, they did go over the radio and say he'd broken track limits and the next time he did so he'd get a waved chequered flag.
SO...the question is this: If he did so multiple times, how much time did he either make up between him and Max, or add to the distance with Max behind him?

Verstappen clearly had tyre issues those final few laps, but he was passed Hamilton into that corner.

 

[Craig_]

He gained a place by going off the track, the little **** clearly took a leaf from Micheal's book.

 

[Archer]

Well, they did go over the radio and say he'd broken track limits and the next time he did so he'd get a waved chequered flag.
SO...the question is this: If he did so multiple times, how much time did he either make up between him and Max, or add to the distance with Max behind him?

Verstappen clearly had tyre issues those final few laps, but he was passed Hamilton into that corner.

RB reckon it's 0.2s per lap that you gain by extending in turn 4... even if we make this 0.1s, thats essentially 3 seconds gained over the race.

The race director himself said that all cars with one exception were respecting the track limits there... so this BS about it being within the rules doesn't add up.

 

[JohnStarr]

RB reckon it's 0.2s per lap that you gain by extending in turn 4... even if we make this 0.1s, thats essentially 3 seconds gained over the race.

The race director himself said that all cars with one exception were respecting the track limits there... so this BS about it being within the rules doesn't add up.

Then I wonder why RBR aren't taking this up with the race authorities. But it's too late...

 

[Willie Trombone]

The race director himself said that all cars with one exception were respecting the track limits there... so this BS about it being within the rules doesn't add up.

Quote please.

F1 race director explains why 29 offs for Hamilton were legal

F1 race director Michael Masi has moved to clarify the track limits row that dominated the post-race chatter at the Bahrain GP...

www.crash.net

Hamilton ran wide beyond the extremities of the track boundary at the same corner 29 times throughout the 56-lap race before he was warned by his race engineer Pete Bonnington that he was in danger of receiving a time penalty at mid-distance if he continued to abuse the exit.

The seven-time world champion admitted he was left confused by this instruction and correctly pointed out that before the race it was communicated that track limits would not be policed at Turn 4, unlike in FP2, FP3 and qualifying when such an offence resulted in lap times being deleted.

Hamilton was among a number of drivers who regularly ran wide while exiting Turn 4 during the race and at one stage Red Bull even informed Verstappen to do the same.

Red Bull F1 team principal Christian Horner was left frustrated by what he described as being the “shade of grey” nature of the track limits rules, though he did accept that the decision to penalise Verstappen was technically correct.

Moving to address the confusion after the race, Masi explained that Verstappen’s Turn 4 excursion was ruled to be illegal due to a key distinction in what is deemed as ‘gaining an advantage’.

Masi stressed it was made “very clear” in the pre-event notes and also in the drivers’ briefing on Friday evening that “if an overtake takes place with a car off track and gains a lasting advantage, I will go on the radio and suggest to the team that they immediately relinquish that position.

“With regard to tolerance given with people running outside of the track limits during the race, that was mentioned very clearly in the meeting and the notes that it would not be monitored with regard to setting the lap time, so to speak, but it will always be monitored in according with the Sporting Regulations that a lasting advantage overall must not be gained.”

If you think Hamilton gained an advantage, then you have to hand it to him - that's a pretty good way to make up time when you're clearly .1-.5 off the normal pace of your rival.
Red Bull came in too late with their first stop and lost a ton of time there. Why not blame that for their loss rather.
The FIA are at fault, if anything, for deliberately saying it won't be policed.
How did they think they were going to determine whether there was advantage or not?

Here's what happened. Verstappen was faster but Hamilton won.
Besides, Verstappen had at least 6 laps to overtake and couldn't do it. It's one thing catching, quite another overtaking.