F1 2021: New season discussion and chat

[Yats]

Well then they clearly didn't tell Lewis, because he told Bono on the radio, he thought there were no track limits

https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/mf5qq9

 

[Willie Trombone]

All im saying, is that if they have track limits at turn 4, you best make sure somebody is monitoring it. You cant all of a sudden say oops hold on, lewis is possibly gaining an advantage a bit here, so lets check.

But they didn't for the most part as they said they wouldn't.

 

[Icemanbrfc]

But they didn't for the most part as they said they wouldn't.

Yeh and thats a problem... If you dont have anybody monitoring, then implement some sensor at that specific turn, and monitor it that way. End of the race, it gets viewed, and if you have done it too many times, your punishment will be dished out. Teams were warned, so they should make this clear to their drivers anyway

 

[Binary_Bark]

 

[Yats]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1376501247549784065

Some good technical analysis of the turn 4 limits

 

[Archer]

https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/mf5qq9

Article 27.3 still applies
As specifically mentioned in the race directors notes.

 

[Archer]

They were clear that they weren't going to. Then they decided to. That's how it happened.
So Lewis was the one done in if I follow your logic.
That said, I agree with you, they should have just kept the rules the same.
IMO they should add a 1 second penalty for every second you are off track with a minimum of 1s per foray off. We have the tech for that - every car has a camera.

Bottom line, Lewis found a way to beat Max and stay within the rules.

So when the FIA doesn't punish a driver/team this means they stayed within the rules? Do you even watch F1? So we can now conclude that Ferrari never cheated in 2019 amiright?

 

[Yats]

Article 27.3 still applies
As specifically mentioned in the race directors notes.

It does. It also stated that you can't gain a lasting advantage. An overtake off track is considered a lasting advantage. Exceeding track limits can also be considered a lasting advantage but is more difficult to police.

 

[JuliusSeizure]

Here's what happened. Verstappen was faster but Hamilton won.
Besides, Verstappen had at least 6 laps to overtake and couldn't do it. It's one thing catching, quite another overtaking.

Verstappen may now be at a point where he will either be able to match or better Hamilton's driving ability. Hamilton is now in his late 30s and so his reflexes will naturally slow down a bit.

However, you can't win races on ability alone, by that logic, JP Montoya would have been a world champion.

Verstappen still has some way to go before he can match Hamilton's in-race IQ.

 

[JohnStarr]

Quote please.

F1 race director explains why 29 offs for Hamilton were legal

F1 race director Michael Masi has moved to clarify the track limits row that dominated the post-race chatter at the Bahrain GP...

www.crash.net

If you think Hamilton gained an advantage, then you have to hand it to him - that's a pretty good way to make up time when you're clearly .1-.5 off the normal pace of your rival.
Red Bull came in too late with their first stop and lost a ton of time there. Why not blame that for their loss rather.
The FIA are at fault, if anything, for deliberately saying it won't be policed.
How did they think they were going to determine whether there was advantage or not?

Here's what happened. Verstappen was faster but Hamilton won.
Besides, Verstappen had at least 6 laps to overtake and couldn't do it. It's one thing catching, quite another overtaking.

Well, they did cock up his pitstop strategy. Nobody is denying that. BUT, he went off once and was in crap, while it appears Hamilton got away with it multiple times and wasn't punished other than to be told he will get a waved checked flag if he does it again.
So, they were sort of (not) policing it for him, and doing it when he got overtaken.

 

[pinball wizard]

So when the FIA doesn't punish a driver/team this means they stayed within the rules? Do you even watch F1? So we can now conclude that Ferrari never cheated in 2019 amiright?

Ahem. Ferrari never cheated. Ever. Any year.

 

[Archer]

Ahem. Ferrari never cheated. Ever. Any year.

Yes, that was indeed a poor example. My apologies. Ferrari are the epitome of law abiding teams and serve as a prime example that everyone should follow for the betterment of the sport, nay, for all mankind.

 

[Binary_Bark]

‘Angry’ Mazepin has shortest F1 debut in 19 years

Nikita Mazepin’s uninspiring race for Haas at the Bahrain Grand Prix was the shortest debut display in Formula 1 for

www.motorsportweek.com

 

[pinball wizard]

Yes, that was indeed a poor example. My apologies. Ferrari are the epitome of law abiding teams and serve as a prime example that everyone should follow for the betterment of the sport, nay, for all mankind.

Exactly!

 

[Icemanbrfc]

So when the FIA doesn't punish a driver/team this means they stayed within the rules? Do you even watch F1? So we can now conclude that Ferrari never cheated in 2019 amiright?

Ferrari never cheated... All a lie..

 

[Craig_]

I don't understand all the excuses for that sourcunt crashstappen. He has a fast car, but seemingly can't get it to the front. He overtook by going off the track, no ones fault but his own.

 

[jones123]

Seriously everyone. I'm no Hamilton fan but he clearly played Verstappen into trying that overtake into that corner knowing he could push him wide.

Well played Sir.

Verstappen if he was wiser would have waited for the next drs zone without as high a risk of running wide.
Or am I giving Hamilton too much credit ?


IMHO

 

[JohnStarr]

Seriously everyone. I'm no Hamilton fan but he clearly played Verstappen into trying that overtake into that corner knowing he could push him wide.

Well played Sir.

Verstappen if he was wiser would have waited for the next drs zone without as high a risk of running wide.
Or am I giving Hamilton too much credit ?


IMHO

Nah, I think you're spot on. Max's tyres were starting to give in and I am sure Hamilton's race engineer would've been telling him that much.

 

[BadBoyGP]

Well, they did cock up his pitstop strategy. Nobody is denying that. BUT, he went off once and was in crap, while it appears Hamilton got away with it multiple times and wasn't punished other than to be told he will get a waved checked flag if he does it again.
So, they were sort of (not) policing it for him, and doing it when he got overtaken.

I'm not happy with what they did however it's 2 different rules.

On is a track rule- specific turn.

The other is a general rule, overtaking while of the track.

For me red bull should have not given that place back. Max was fast enough to open a 5sec gap in 4 laps to keep 1st. They could have also challenged the 5second penalty afterwards starting that Ham was doing it whole race.

Red bull needs to put thier head down and concentrate on Italy now.

 

[JohnStarr]

I'm not happy with what they did however it's 2 different rules.

On is a track rule- specific turn.

The other is a general rule, overtaking while of the track.

For me red bull should have not given that place back. Max was fast enough to open a 5sec gap in 4 laps to keep 1st. They could have also challenged the 5second penalty afterwards starting that Ham was doing it whole race.

Red bull needs to put thier head down and concentrate on Italy now.

Yes, 2 stuff ups. Trying to be honourable and handing the place back, and screwing up his pit stop (but Bottas's pit stop was horrendous!).
Now if Checo didn't have that issue starting from the back of the pack, he'd have been putting pressure on Hamilton all the time.