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It is the crown jewel and is grandfathered in as a legacy track.

The fact that it is a part of the Triple Crown of motorsport, along with the Indianapolis 500 and Le Mans, also means it likely won't be going anywhere anytime soon.
I don't blame the location I blame the new cars, used to be a great race, but with these new bigger cars you pretty much get what you started off with, basically 20 cars going around a very narrow circuit that can't do very much.
 

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It is the crown jewel and is grandfathered in as a legacy track.

The fact that it is a part of the Triple Crown of motorsport, along with the Indianapolis 500 and Le Mans, also means it likely won't be going anywhere anytime soon.

Though if someone in an F1 meeting (in an alternative reality where F1 had never gone to Monaco) said “why don’t we hold an F1 street GP in Monaco” the odds are they would be laughed out the meeting or referred to a psychologist...
 

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Though if someone in an F1 meeting (in an alternative reality where F1 had never gone to Monaco) said “why don’t we hold an F1 street GP in Monaco” the odds are they would be laughed out the meeting or referred to a psychologist...
It's a home grand prix of sorts for half the grid LMAO.
 

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I don't blame the location I blame the new cars, used to be a great race, but with these new bigger cars you pretty much get what you started off with, basically 20 cars going around a very narrow circuit that can't do very much.

These boats for F1 cars definitely do make it worse, but It has always been a bit processional.

What made Monaco exciting was the often unpredictable weather (there was a stretch in the 90s when it almost always rained and threw things up) and there was a time when good drivers in inferior cars could actually shine as the track still rewarded driver ability/bravery while not being so reliant on the car, so you would occasionally find a midfield car well up the grid. Great example was Jean Alesi qualifying his dog of a Prost in 7th in the 2000 race. At any other race that car would struggle to qualify higher than 18th, but Alesi's raw ability was able to shine at a track that still rewarded the driver.

The track was also attritional in years gone by, punishing gearboxes, suspensions and driver concentration, so you had a high rate of retirements resulting in surprise points finishers. Modern cars are by comparison bulletproof and far more forgiving from a driving perspective, so less failures and errors.
 

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These boats for F1 cars definitely do make it worse, but It has always been a bit processional.

What made Monaco exciting was the often unpredictable weather (there was a stretch in the 90s when it almost always rained and threw things up) and there was a time when good drivers in inferior cars could actually shine as the track still rewarded driver ability/bravery while not being so reliant on the car, so you would occasionally find a midfield car well up the grid. Great example was Jean Alesi qualifying his dog of a Prost in 7th in the 2000 race. At any other race that car would struggle to qualify higher than 18th, but Alesi's raw ability was able to shine at a track that still rewarded the driver.

The track was also attritional in years gone by, punishing gearboxes, suspensions and driver concentration, so you had a high rate of retirements resulting in surprise points finishers. Modern cars are by comparison bulletproof and far more forgiving from a driving perspective, so less failures and errors.
Yes, Bigger and more reliable cars with a spot of global warming has made it worse
 

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Though if someone in an F1 meeting (in an alternative reality where F1 had never gone to Monaco) said “why don’t we hold an F1 street GP in Monaco” the odds are they would be laughed out the meeting or referred to a psychologist...

Yep, it is very much an anachronism.
 

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Yeah, but they are only renting....
Oh I dunno. Bottas is a major property investor, Coulthard made a ton off his hotel, Hamilton has a house there, Rosberg and Le Clerc grew up there and no doubt own property, Ricciardo owns an apartment there. Vettel bucks the trend and doesn't like bright lights and city apparently.
Apart from them, there's Button, Bruno Senna, Paul di Resta, Pastor Maldonado...
 
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Yes, Bigger and more reliable cars with a spot of global warming has made it worse

My feeling is the bigger cars have really harmed the show of F1.
A mate of mine always sums it up very simply, if a f1 car is 4 to 4.5m long, it's easier to overtake than the modern f1 busses that are almost 6m long.
 

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My feeling is the bigger cars have really harmed the show of F1.
A mate of mine always sums it up very simply, if a f1 car is 4 to 4.5m long, it's easier to overtake than the modern f1 busses that are almost 6m long.
Would agree, last exiting F1 Season was early 2000's. Would say 2007
 

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Oh I dunno. Bottas is a major property investor, Coulthard made a ton off his hotel, Hamilton has a house there, Rosberg and Le Clerc grew up there and no doubt own property, Ricciardo owns an apartment there. Vettel bucks the trend and doesn't like bright lights and city apparently.
Apart from them, there's Button, Bruno Senna, Paul di Resta, Pastor Maldonado...
You do know that you can't buy property in Monaco, you rent it from the Grimaldi, part of the TAX haven deal
 

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The thing about Monaco is it's a driver's circuit. There are very few runoffs, one mistake and you're in the wall, you can't put your foot flat and you have to time everything to a T. What it lacks in overtaking it makes up for in driver error.
 
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It has an FIA Grade 2 certification, which allows it to host any FIA international event but Formula 1. So endurance racing - including the elite Le Mans prototypes - is the ceiling for Kyalami.

It does however have an FIM Grade A rating which means it can host MotoGP and World Superbike. FIM prefers gravel to paved runoff and is less stringent on catch fencing and barriers.
FIM grade 2 was the wording I was looking for...
 

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Number of F1 tracks per season from 2000 - 2021

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Cable tip off an example of "super spy" Hamilton’s focus​

Keeping a close eye on what rival teams are up to is part of the game in Formula 1.

It’s why teams spend money on spy photographers to capture close-ups of other cars, and why there are rules limiting what techniques and technology – like 3D camera scans – are actually allowed.

While teams try their best to keep their own designs secret – which is why you often see mechanics blocking off sections of the cars from rival teams on the grid or in the garages – there is one part of the race weekend where things are more open.


In parc ferme after the race, the cars are held in an open space prior to post-event inspections, and there is little teams can do to keep prying eyes away.

For although there is a gentleman’s agreement that teams do not take close up spy shots of cars there, there is nothing stopping drivers walking right up to the cars to take a peek themselves.

Several times Sebastian Vettel has been witnessed checking out the fine details of a Mercedes, even pushing down on car parts on occasions, and Lewis Hamilton also is known to have a good eye for spotting things.

While you would think that any information a driver gives back to his team from this moment is of minimal use, actually there can sometimes be priceless details that can push a team to work on something better for their own car.

One of Mercedes’ former engineers has now lifted the lid on what type of feedback a driver like Hamilton can give – and offered a fascinating example that highlights the world champion’s attention to the smallest of details.

Philipp Brändle worked on Hamilton's car until the end of 2019 and, during a recent appearance on ServusTV over the Bahrain Grand Prix weekend, he was full of praise for the insight that Hamilton often gave the team.

"Lewis is a super spy", said Brändle: "He looks at everything very closely.

“For example, there was once a moment prior to the podium room where the drivers were having a drink. He noticed that another racing suit had fewer cables. The point was that you can save weight, because really every detail counts in Formula 1.

"So he gave us the feedback that the other team had a shorter wiring harness, and a smaller plug.

“And really everything, how you can somehow save just one gram, is important. He looks at details like that, and that's what we implemented.”

Former F1 driver Nico Hulkenberg said that drivers felt a responsibility to keep an eye on anything of interest they spotted on rival cars in those parc ferme moments.

"You gather information," he told ServusTV. "You look at how it's solved on the car and then you pass that on to your engineers. And of course you hope that they can do something with it and make your car faster."
 

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