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Agent_Smith

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I respect that the man is hospitalized and has gone through a lot.

But its not helping anyone leaving out the second car for the race. The reserve should be given a chance, that's why he is there.

Agree with this but can also understand what Marussia is contemplating. If they do decide to run one car, I wouldn't have an issue with it and would consider it a huge mark of respect. But also think it is a great opportunity, despite the circumstances.
 

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Ok, ja, that is the ultimate price.

Bianchi will likely not return to racing again, so a new driver must be prepped asap.

From what I have read I doubt he'll even lead a normal life again. Terribly sad. Rossi will likely finish the season for them.
 

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Agree with this but can also understand what Marussia is contemplating. If they do decide to run one car, I wouldn't have an issue with it and would consider it a huge mark of respect. But also think it is a great opportunity, despite the circumstances.

Especially when its their home race, and the first one ever.

There are other ways to show respect. The reserve could wear the Bianchi helmet for eg, or they paint his face on the helmet/ car, etc.
 

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Epic vid! Greg should enjoy this one. According to Fangio, Clark was the greatest F1 driver of all time. Also, one of the Lotus mechanics was a South Africa, Cedric Selzer.

[video=youtube;_L1tHavnd9w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L1tHavnd9w[/video]
 

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Since you insist :p

Senna (McLaren), Mansell (Williams), Spain 91, Circuit de Catalunya, that hump on the main straight still exists :)

Best looking F1 cars ever and in my opinion how a racing car should look ... 1989 - 1991, wide and sleek without any fancy wings or other aero elements. 1987 - 1988 also good looking cars but they lacked the air intake hump behind the driver which wasn't necessary for the turbo-engines (which makes me wonder why they have it today? SO much difference between the turbo engines of today and the ones of 25-30 years ago)

After 91 the cars got all weird with funny humps and active suspension and noses all over the place and what have you else. I miss those old cars :(
 
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Epic vid! Greg should enjoy this one. According to Fangio, Clark was the greatest F1 driver of all time. Also, one of the Lotus mechanics was a South Africa, Cedric Selzer.

Hot Dog cars, isn't that what they were called ?
 

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We done this one earlier.

Canada 1998. Alexander Wurz (Bennetton) made a banzai charge into the first corner, was squeezed onto the grass and he clipped Alesi's Sauber, barrel rolling into the gravel trap. Jarno Trulli's Prost and Johnny Herbert's Sauber were also caught up in the crash. The race was red-flagged and at the restart Ralf spun his Jordan, causing Trulli to hit Alesi, putting them both out for good.
 

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Montreal 1998 ... sideways Benetton in a Sauber \ Williams sandwich. I'll be darned if I can remember the drivers though.

Edit: Note to self. Remember to refresh :p
 

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Remember how awful that Williams was! It had it's engine from a company called Mechachrome! T'was tough times for us Williams supporters...

That was just the 1997 Renault engine, re-badged and minus development and investment from Renault to keep it on par with the 1998 Ferrari and Mercedes units. It was still the 3rd best engine available as Williams finished 3rd and Benetton (using the same engines but branded as Playlife) finished 5th.

Mecahrome is a respected engineering company that has had ties to Renault Sport since 1979. They used to assemble and maintain the powerplants on behalf of Renault up until the 1997 season and continued to maintain the aging engines until 2000, when they were re-branded as Supertecs. They are still involved with Renault Sport F1 now, but not sure to what degree.
 
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Lord, I remember those 'X-Wings'.

Tyrrell 025
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Prost JS45
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I think Jordan had a go as well before they were banned.
 

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And speaking of banning.

Is there an explanation why they actually banned the wheel covers Ferrari came up with back in '09 ?
 

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And speaking of banning.

Is there an explanation why they actually banned the wheel covers Ferrari came up with back in '09 ?

Wasn't there a safety concern as well?

EDIT: No, they were banned from a sporting perspective.

Wheel 'covers', or 'fairings' under their technical term, are likely to be banned in Formula One next year, Sam Michael revealed in Germany. The devices, often spinning and used to assist airflow and create more downforce, are believed to reduce chances of overtaking.

First seen in F1 in 2006, the wheel fairing devices have been analysed with a general belief now being that overtaking opportunities would be greater when cars are running without the components, allowing competitors to follow more closely, thus creating more chances to pass.

"One of the things that has been discussed for next year is to remove wheel fairings and not have static or rotating wheel fairings," Williams technical director Michael said at the Nürburgring, before explaining how CFD (Computational Fluid Dynamics) research led to the conclusion. "It is the sort of thing where you need to find three or four little things like that and that will add up to a difference, so I think it is going in the right direction but it just needs more."

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/215660/
 

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Pretty much what I have been saying, these modern cars are easy to drive. No ways Max Verstappen gets into F1 at his age 15 - 20 years ago.

Analysis: How F1 physical challenge declined since Ayrton Senna era

The study that has begun into ways of making Formula 1 cars more challenging to drive follows ongoing complaints about them being too easy at the moment.

Although the recent Singapore Grand Prix showed that current cars can be tough in situations such as extreme temperatures, more often than not drivers can finish a race in peak condition.

It is a world away from how the sport was decades ago, when sometimes drivers were taken to the edge of exhaustion.

One iconic moment in F1 history that illustrates how hard grand prix cars used to be to drive was the 1991 Brazilian Grand Prix.

Ayrton Senna was so focused on a victory on home ground that he battled through muscle cramps caused by the physical and emotional effort of late-race gearbox troubles and a downpour to triumph. After the line, he was so exhausted he had to be helped out of the car.

In charge of the Brazilian's fitness then was Josef Leberer, and the veteran trainer has no doubts that F1 now is nowhere near the physical challenge it was then.

"What happened that day is far away from where we are now," says Leberer, who currently works in F1 with Sauber.

"I am sure a lot of the current drivers would love to show their strength like Senna did, but they don't get to use it in the car any more.

"The physical side and mental side is very different.

"It is much easier to drive the car now. The guys can come from kindergarten now and they can drive the car.

"From the physical point of view it has never been easier than now."


Leberer is a man who has seen it all during more than two decades of F1 involvement, and thinks the fact drivers seem unflustered at the end of races owes more to the way the cars are than increased fitness levels.

"It is great you can have youth in F1, but I remember drivers being really exhausted, sweating, and nearly fainting. Now they get out and some of them don't even sweat.

"When I looked after Senna and [Alain] Prost the physical demand was enormous.

"They had bruises on their elbows, the pain from gear changes, neck difficulties. It was so much harder then."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/116032
 
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