F1 - General discussion and 2016 Season

[Willie Trombone]

Gees, crowd booing Nico? Fans woken up to him being the t wat of f1?

That's a major surprise in Belgium. Not sure what their problem is. I don't recall booing before this Merc duo. At once stage I thought Hamilton was good for second but then at the second last pitstop it looked doubtful. Not sure he'd have taken Ricciardio if he'd had more durable tyres and not stopped again.

Who else heard Kimi swear into his helmet while fighting Max? Was lol.

 

[ngwe23]

Glad Lewis kept his champions lead. Now that the engine penalties are out of the way, time for a full attack on the championship.

 

[Willie Trombone]

Anyone vote?
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I voted Alonso for the drive of the day. Great result for a change for Macca.

 

[vinodh]

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I voted Alonso for the drive of the day. Great result for a change for Macca.

Did the same. Alonso had a really good result and for once, could maintain a decent pace right till the end. It's possible that they finally don't have to be so aggressive on fuel saving anymore.

Pity they don't a have a "Chop of the Day" vote. Verstappen would have been my choice.

 

[caroper]

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I voted Alonso for the drive of the day. Great result for a change for Macca.

Agreed 100% and so did Ted Kravitz in his post race report.

 

[Zyraz]

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I voted Alonso for the drive of the day. Great result for a change for Macca.

Agreed.

 

[Polish]

Awesome race, great entertainment from Spa.

Deserving podium finishers. Great that Nico tightened the points a bit, expected nothing less from Lewis.

Tough luck for Max, another reality check

McLaren

 

[caroper]

[video=youtube;SHxnxeqwbMs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHxnxeqwbMs[/video]

 

[Neoprod]

Did the same. Alonso had a really good result and for once, could maintain a decent pace right till the end. It's possible that they finally don't have to be so aggressive on fuel saving anymore.

Pity they don't a have a "Chop of the Day" vote. Verstappen would have been my choice.

Verstappen had a Maldonado today...that weave to cut off Raikonnen should be a penalty.

 

[Polish]

What happened to the old rule where driver was allowed to defend his racing line once.

Is that no longer in place?

 

[Dave]

What happened to the old rule where driver was allowed to defend his racing line once.

Is that no longer in place?

It's supposed to be, neoprod has a point, he should have had a penalty.

 

[caroper]

Not really, he only ever made one move. What annoyed Kimi is that he has nerves of steal and only ever made his move after Kimi was committed to his, and already deep in the breaking zone. It is a new style in recent years but look back at Senna and Prost, they did similar moves back when they started to what Max is doing now.

 

[Polish]

True that.

The youngster drove superbly.

 

[Fox1]

Not really, he only ever made one move. What annoyed Kimi is that he has nerves of steal and only ever made his move after Kimi was committed to his, and already deep in the breaking zone. It is a new style in recent years but look back at Senna and Prost, they did similar moves back when they started to what Max is doing now.

The cars are much faster these days and Max should be thankful that Kimi has the experience to slam the brakes harder. Anyways, Max's over aggressive driving style cost him a podium and a points finish. What's more annoying is after the race he said he won't be any more cautious than he already is. Good one for team RBR and sponsors to deal with if only 1 car continues to finish races.

 

[Polish]

The cars are much faster these days and Max should be thankful that Kimi has the experience to slam the brakes harder. Anyways, Max's over aggressive driving style cost him a podium and a points finish. What's more annoying is after the race he said he won't be any more cautious than he already is. Good one for team RBR and sponsors to deal with if only 1 car continues to finish races.

True that.

The youngster drove superbly.

 

[thestaggy]

Not really, he only ever made one move. What annoyed Kimi is that he has nerves of steal and only ever made his move after Kimi was committed to his, and already deep in the breaking zone. It is a new style in recent years but look back at Senna and Prost, they did similar moves back when they started to what Max is doing now.

You can't move after the car behind has moved. That is then a block. A defending driver has to make his move preemptively otherwise all you are guilty of is blocking the other driver.

The kid is lucky he wasn't penalised for that and as mentioned, he can be grateful that it was Kimi behind him and not another inexperienced driver.

Also, Max using the start as justification is pathetic. He blamed Kimi for the first corner accident and said after that he would defend his position aggressively, almost admitting that his driving later on was in retaliation. Kimi was sandwiched between two cars and 3-in-to-1 at La Source doesn't work, so I'm not sure what he wanted him to do.

 

[Polish]

You can't move after the car behind has moved. That is then a block. A defending driver has to make his move preemptively otherwise all you are guilty of is blocking the other driver.

The kid is lucky he wasn't penalised for that and as mentioned, he can be grateful that it was Kimi behind him and not another inexperienced driver.

Also, Max using the start as justification is pathetic. He blamed Kimi for the first corner accident and said after that he would defend his position aggressively, almost admitting that his driving later on was in retaliation. Kimi was sandwiched between two cars and 3-in-to-1 at La Source doesn't work, so I'm not sure what he wanted him to do.

True that.

The youngster drove superbly.

 

[thestaggy]

True that.

The youngster drove [-]superbly[/-] recklessly.

FIA Sporting Regulations

20.3 More than one change of direction to defend a position is not permitted. Any driver moving
back towards the racing line, having earlier defended his position off-line, should leave at least
one car width between his own car and the edge of the track on the approach to the corner.

20.4 Any driver defending his position on a straight, and before any braking area, may use the full
width of the track during his first move, provided no significant portion of the car attempting
to pass is alongside his. Whilst defending in this way the driver may not leave the track
without justifiable reason.

For the avoidance of doubt, if any part of the front wing of the car attempting to pass is
alongside the rear wheel of the car in front this will be deemed to be a ‘significant portion’.

20.5 Manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers, such as deliberate crowding of a car beyond the
edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction, are not permitted.

Max's modus operandi in recent races when defending is the following;

1 - Move to the middle of the road on the approach to a braking zone. This qualifies as his first - and only - allowable defensive move.
2 - In the braking zone Max then reacts to the move of the driver trying to pass him. This is a second - illegal - defensive move and it is in possible contravention of code 20.5 for 'abnormal change of direction' because the attacking driver would be right to a) not expect a second move and b) not expect a move in the braking zone. Furthermore, yesterday he contravened regulation 20.4 by moving when enough of Raikkonen's car was alongside his to cause contact.

In less than a month Vettel, Button, Raikkonen and even his ex-teammate Carlos Sainz have questioned his antics in the braking zone. Raikkonen has already said he will raise Max's driving as a topic of discussion at the next driver's meeting. If their is consensus among the drivers that they deem his driving to be unsafe it won't be good for him going forward.

Christian Horner was diplomatic but its clear that he has his own reservations;

"It was firm, it was on the edge. He got away with it. I'm sure he'll have a good look at it and maybe learn a bit for future races."

I want to hear crickets if Rosberg roughs someone up again.

 

[Polish]

Max's modus operandi in recent races when defending is the following;

1 - Move to the middle of the road on the approach to a braking zone. This qualifies as his first - and only - allowable defensive move.
2 - In the braking zone Max then reacts to the move of the driver trying to pass him. This is a second - illegal - defensive move and it is in possible contravention of code 20.5 for 'abnormal change of direction' because the attacking driver would be right to a) not expect a second move and b) not expect a move in the braking zone. Furthermore, yesterday he contravened regulation 20.4 by moving when enough of Raikkonen's car was alongside his to cause contact.

Granted, you have valid points.

Why however did the marshals not punish him, given their strict adherence to the rule books ?

And wtf was that fire on the Ferrari ?

 

[Zyraz]

Granted, you have valid points.

Why however did the marshals not punish him, given their strict adherence to the rule books ?

And wtf was that fire on the Ferrari ?

@ fire : looked like brakes