F1 - General discussion and 2016 Season

[Genisys]

Some people have selective memory

Selective? No. He got beaten by that Finnish driver. Like it or not. That isn't selective. That is just the truth.

 

[thestaggy]

Alonso went into a melt down and threw his toys after being matched by a rookie, now imagine what he is going to do if he actually gets beaten by Stoffel Vandoorne. No wonder Ron is keeping JB on standby.

Button is on standby as Alonso is already on record as saying he doesn't enjoy F1 in its present state, not because they are worried about him losing. He only just went and set the fastest lap at a track not suited to his car, so the speed and ability is still there.

F1's 2017 technical regulations could shape Alonso's call on future

"My contract finishes [at the end of] next year, and with many changes coming in the regulations in terms of tyres, performance, it could make Formula 1 again attractive to drive.

"Now it's a little bit frustrating how we drive these cars, how we save everything, which is against your instincts.

"So we will see next year, and I will decide after the summer [of 2017]."

Fernando Alonso 'not at all happy' with current Formula 1

"Many things will change next year, let's hope the joy of driving will return to be a major factor," added Alonso.

"If I see F1 carries on going in a different direction compared to what I knew and loved in the recent past, at that point I could consider other alternatives and leave F1.

 

[ngwe23]

Button is on standby as Alonso is already on record as saying he doesn't enjoy F1 in its present state, not because they are worried about him losing. He only just went and set the fastest lap at a track not suited to his car, so the speed and ability is still there.

You must be an F1 noob. The fastest lap had nothing to do with "speed and ability", but it is simply because he pitted 3 laps before the end of the race.

 

[sand_man]

Or if Alonso starts throwing his toys again after another rookie beats him.

Selective? No. He got beaten by that Finnish driver. Like it or not. That isn't selective. That is just the truth.

No one's disputing that but the original point was about how Alonso responded to Hamilton during the latters rookie f1 season.

What's Kimi Räikkönen got to do with the conversation? Yes, he's 'that finnish driver' that won the 2007 season but he's not a rookie, neither is he the driver that got under Alonso's skin.

 

[Dave]

The fastest lap had nothing to do with "speed and ability", but it is simply because he pitted 3 laps before the end of the race.

I'd agree, Alonso put new super softs on and went out with low fuel and effectively did a qualifying lap. It was still pretty slow by single lap standards. Alonso's fastest lap was 1:25.340, Hamilton's Q3 lap was 1:21.135.

That Honda's "speed and ability" was still almost 4 seconds slower than the comparable lap by the Mercedes.

 

[thestaggy]

I'd agree, Alonso put new super softs on and went out with low fuel and effectively did a qualifying lap. It was still pretty slow by single lap standards. Alonso's fastest lap was 1:25.340, Hamilton's Q3 lap was 1:21.135.

That Honda's "speed and ability" was still almost 4 seconds slower than the comparable lap by the Mercedes.

Spa 2016;
Pole - 1:46,744 (Rosberg)
Fastest Lap - 1:51,583 (Hamilton, lap 40 of 44)

 

[Dave]

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Spa 2016;
Pole - 1:46,744 (Rosberg)
Fastest Lap - 1:51,583 (Hamilton, lap 40 of 44)

I don't remember Hamilton doing a pit stop for new supersoft tyres on lap 40 at Spa...

Is there a link to video of that pit stop?

 

[thestaggy]

I don't remember Hamilton doing a pit stop for new supersoft tyres on lap 40 at Spa...

Is there a link to video of that pit stop?

So the fact that it was set when his car was as light as it was going to be doesn't factor in?

That Honda's "speed and ability" was still almost 4 seconds slower than the comparable lap by the Mercedes.

Hamilton's fastest lap was nearly 5-seconds slower than his teammate's pole time.

See the trend? Light fuel load, significantly slower than pole. You can go further back to Germany, fastest lap set on lap 48-of-67 and again 4-seconds off the pace.

Fact remains, that car is improving and as recent results indicate, Alonso still has the pace just as long as the motivation remains and it seems like it is still there.

Fernando Alonso believes McLaren may challenge Ferrari this year

ernando Alonso believes McLaren can fight for top five finishes and possibly challenge Ferrari at certain races before the end of the 2016 Formula 1 season.

Both McLarens finished outside the points in the Italian Grand Prix at Monza, a result Alonso said was expected because of the high-speed nature of the circuit.

But with Honda's weakest race out of the way, Alonso believes "good times are coming".

"We didn't have the pace today to be in the points," said Alonso, who finished 14th with team-mate Jenson Button 12th.

"But we knew - we expected this coming here, so it was just a confirmation.

"From Singapore [next race] we should be in the points regularly with the performance of the car we have now.

"Some races, like Austin, Abu Dhabi, we can be in the top five fighting with Ferrari I hope.

 

[Polish]

On another note, Kvyat seems to be on a bad downward spiral.

Not sure whats up with him.

Race after race some shyte happens. I can understand his bitterness towards F1 in light of what happened this year but to risk your F1 career like that ?

Or maybe its true colour coming out.

 

[Dave]

So the fact that it was set when his car was as light as it was going to be doesn't factor in?

You can't compare what someone does at the end of a race on worn tyres with what someone does on a brand new set of the fastest available tyre, you are trying to pick oranges off that apple tree.

 

[Dave]

On another note, Kvyat seems to be on a bad downward spiral.

Not sure whats up with him.

Race after race some shyte happens. I can understand his bitterness towards F1 in light of what happened this year but to risk your F1 career like that ?

Or maybe its true colour coming out.

My prediction is he will be out at the end of the season. He's become the ginger step child at Red Bull/Toro Rosso.

 

[Willie Trombone]

Selective? No. He got beaten by that Finnish driver. Like it or not. That isn't selective. That is just the truth.

You're not following.... and LOL @ making a song and dance of Lewis being narrowly beaten by Raikkonen in his rookie year. That's just sad :crylaugh:

 

[Icemanbrfc]

jislaaik it, Ferrari get the strategy wrong again. Surely one of Kimi or Vettel should have been on a 1 stopper, instead both were on 2. Blerrie frusrating with Arrivabene in charge there, who doesnt seem to know what he is doing

 

[ngwe23]

You can't compare what someone does at the end of a race on worn tyres with what someone does on a brand new set of the fastest available tyre...

But you can. How else do I prove that my hero driver walks on water.

 

[Neoprod]

jislaaik it, Ferrari get the strategy wrong again. Surely one of Kimi or Vettel should have been on a 1 stopper, instead both were on 2. Blerrie frusrating with Arrivabene in charge there, who doesnt seem to know what he is doing

Don't see what difference it would have made...the Mercs on that track were too far ahead. They would have been even further behind without the benefit of newer tyres for more of the race.

 

[Agent_Smith]

Seems Lance Stroll is in line for a Williams seat.

Canadian teenager Lance Stroll has emerged as a frontrunner to replace Felipe Massa at the Williams Formula One team next season after the Brazilian announced his retirement last week.

Jacques Villeneuve, the 1997 world champion who was the last Canadian to race for the British-based team, told Reuters at Monza that he believed the deal was all but done for the 17-year-old.

A team source confirmed separately that Stroll was on the short list, along with Brazilian Felipe Nasr, who was a Williams reserve before securing his current race seat at Sauber.

Stroll turns 18 in October and is on course to win the European F3 title, which would secure him the necessary super-licence.

His career has been bankrolled by billionaire father Lawrence, who made his fortune with the Tommy Hilfiger and Michael Kors fashion brands.

Williams signed the youngster last year as a development driver with a promise he would be 'fully immersed' in the team in the same way that current race driver Valtteri Bottas was.

Mexican Sergio 'Checo' Perez has also been in the rumour mill but Force India, who are battling Williams for fourth place, have him under contract.

 

[vinodh]

I really don't believe anything Villeneuve says since he spent most of F1 career and every year thereafter talking bull**** about anything and everything just to try and get some attention. It would be good for the youngster to actually get the drive since it will be a decent car for him to show what he's capable of.

My suggested driver changes for 2017:

Rosberg to NASCAR (they don't need too much braking skill there on the ovals) Pascal Wehrlein to replace him
Kimi to join Massa in Team Retirement, replaced by Sebastien Buemi (he should never have left F1)
Kvyat to partner with Maldonado and form a new team for figure 8 racing (replaced by Pierre Gasly)
Bernie Ecclestone to be taken out back and put out of his misery.

 

[Willie Trombone]

jislaaik it, Ferrari get the strategy wrong again. Surely one of Kimi or Vettel should have been on a 1 stopper, instead both were on 2. Blerrie frusrating with Arrivabene in charge there, who doesnt seem to know what he is doing

I'd say it was more their car not being up to it than their strategy.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/126045/ferrari-laughs-at-strategy-criticism

Ferrari team principal Maurizio Arrivabene says suggestions Ferrari chose the wrong strategy for Formula 1's Italian Grand Prix made him laugh.

Sebastian Vettel and Kimi Raikkonen finished a distant third and fourth to Mercedes drivers Nico Rosberg and Lewis Hamilton at Monza, opting for a two-stop race while the reigning champion team stopped its cars just once.

"I was hearing straight after the race some comments that maybe one stop was the better strategy," Arrivabene told reporters in the Monza paddock.

"I was laughing about this with our engineers.

"You have to protect yourself if you go for one stop. We were doing the opposite, we were aggressive.

"If we did the same strategy as them, we were [going to be] 11 seconds slower than we were.

"So we were on the faster strategy."

 

[Polish]

And an immediate return of Ross Brawn to F1

 

[vinodh]

And an immediate return of Ross Brawn to F1

Agreed. I also noticed that cheating bastard Flavio Briatore hanging around the pits during yesterday's race. I thought he banned for life but it seems like some French tribunal overturned the decision.