F1 - General discussion and 2016 Season

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thestaggy

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Marsport said:
+1 The FIA want their fingers in everything.
I do think what we're witnessing is nothing more than a generational shift.
The people who raced also ran the sport in the past. In addition, we're seeing millennials driving today - while every generation had it's challenges, the emotional maturity and primadonna outlook is typical of the generation. Of course it's the previous generation to blame for that. Kids have grown up in cotton wool with entertainment budgets right near the top of the family priorities. Don't forget that very often the ones entering F1 today are the ones who's parents could afford to sponsor them right from carting - that comes with it's own self entitlement to a greater extent.
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That is a valid point regarding the generational thing, so that may unfortunately be something that will not change. Alonso, Raikkonen and Button are a dying breed of racer in F1.

Hakkinen and Michael were about the same age as Hamilton and Rosberg are now at the peak of their duels and I can't help but notice a glaring gap in maturity when comparing the two sets of rivals.
 
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So there's a chance of showers on Sunday but they said the same thing about Malaysia and Suzuka, so I'm not getting my hopes up.

I just wish the championship points were closer between the two Mercs. I suspect Rosberg is going to happily accept second place for the remaining races which means we won't see any wheel to wheel between them.
 
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So there's a chance of showers on Sunday but they said the same thing about Malaysia and Suzuka, so I'm not getting my hopes up.

I just wish the championship points were closer between the two Mercs. I suspect Rosberg is going to happily accept second place for the remaining races which means we won't see any wheel to wheel between them.
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He needs to accept one retirement, that would make me happier :)
 
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I would love to see them go into the last race on the same points. Then there will be no holds barred!
 
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Yes, that would :)

okay back to reality now.....
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Say what you want, it was still awesome to see Alonso kick ass last week. Maybe if Alonso jumps the start by a couple of seconds, he could then be close enough to the Mercs to stand a chance of running them off the road.
 
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vinodh said:
Agreed. 2016 is not over yet but really couldn't be bothered anymore who wins it.
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Red Bull are clearly closing the gap on Merc, but I'm not sure if the team that made F1 a chore between 2010 & 2013 turning in to a consistent winner again would be any better than the current scenario.

Ferrari need to catch a wake-up though as they are slipping behind Red Bull.

Further down the grid, McLaren are making strides as an overall package. Éric Boullier said he was very impressed with the handling of the car through the flowing sector after turn 1 at COTA and said it was a sign that they were moving in the right direction in terms of their car handling. Honda are still a little behind, but they are making strides in both power and reliability. One hopes that they are podium contenders next year and it would not hurt to throw in a win.

Then we'll have to see what Williams and Renault can do with the changes. Both have the expertise and in Renault's case, the backing to surge forward. Or they can get it horribly wrong and miss the bus. Force India I reckon are as good as they will ever get.
 
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thestaggy said:
Red Bull are clearly closing the gap on Merc, but I'm not sure if the team that made F1 a chore between 2010 & 2013 turning in to a consistent winner again would be any better than the current scenario.

Ferrari need to catch a wake-up though as they are slipping behind Red Bull.

Further down the grid, McLaren are making strides as an overall package. Éric Boullier said he was very impressed with the handling of the car through the flowing sector after turn 1 at COTA and said it was a sign that they were moving in the right direction in terms of their car handling. Honda are still a little behind, but they are making strides in both power and reliability. One hopes that they are podium contenders next year and it would not hurt to throw in a win.

Then we'll have to see what Williams and Renault can do with the changes. Both have the expertise and in Renault's case, the backing to surge forward. Or they can get it horribly wrong and miss the bus. Force India I reckon are as good as they will ever get.
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I have no issue with Max or Ricciardo winning it, what I want is a two way or three way battle between 3 different teams for a change.
+1 on Force India - they started with a bang but haven't moved up much since.
 
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Marsport said:
I have no issue with Max or Ricciardo winning it, what I want is a two way or three way battle between 3 different teams for a change.
+1 on Force India - they started with a bang but haven't moved up much since.
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That's why I was so pissed off when they changed the rules in 2009. The 2008 cars just needed DRS to help with overtaking. Besides that, the old V8s were already homologated and just about equal in performance across the brands and the teams had their chassis's closely matched as well. Maybe next season's rules might even things out again but I doubt it.
 
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Johnny Herbert driving the rotary Mazda that he won the Le Mans 24 Hour with:
[video=youtube_share;az39eqLIbyU]https://youtu.be/az39eqLIbyU[/video]
 
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That's why I was so pissed off when they changed the rules in 2009. The 2008 cars just needed DRS to help with overtaking. Besides that, the old V8s were already homologated and just about equal in performance across the brands and the teams had their chassis's closely matched as well. Maybe next season's rules might even things out again but I doubt it.
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Agreed.

Those were awesome machines.
 
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Oh please let this be a sign of things to come (referring to the closeness of the times not necessarily the order, although that wouldn't hurt from the point of view of maintaining an interest in the championship).

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1. L Hamilton Mercedes 1:20.914 34 laps
2. S Vettel Ferrari 1:20.993 23 laps
3. K Raikkonen Ferrari 1:21.072 19 laps
4. S Perez Force India 1:21.200 23 laps
5. N Hulkenberg Force India 1:21.409 23 laps
6. V Bottas Williams 1:21.447 34 laps
7. N Rosberg Mercedes 1:21.673 32 laps
8. D Ricciardo Red Bull 1:21.727 27 laps
9. F Massa Williams 1:21.836 31 laps
10. D Kvyat Toro Rosso 1:22.215 29 laps
11. R Grosjean Haas 1:22.500 21 laps
12. C Sainz Jr Toro Rosso 1:22.563 32 laps
13. M Ericsson Sauber 1:22.723 17 laps
14. M Verstappen Red Bull 1:22.877 10 laps
15. E Gutiérrez Haas 1:22.910 23 laps
16. F Alonso McLaren 1:23.089 25 laps
17. F Nasr Sauber 1:23.089 12 laps
18. J Button McLaren 1:23.342 24 laps
19. K Magnussen Renault 1:23.556 32 laps
20. E Ocon Manor 1:24.083 30 laps
21. J Palmer Renault 1:24.097 35 laps
22. P Wehrlein Manor 1:24.350 28 laps
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