Farms collapse as land reform fails in South Africa

[Sackboy]

No - I see the Mbeki vs Zuma struggle as two guys wanting the top spot at the trough but there is only one spot.

So you admit it was a narrow choice, and have therefore picked the losing horse

 

[PeterCH]

So you admit it was a narrow choice, and have therefore picked the losing horse

I'm sorry? Did I pick anyone?
Hell no - there isn't a worthy candidate in the whole of the ANC including the ex-NP idiots.

 

[Bule]

One who looks after workers will provide them with food and employment. For food we need farms which are operational. Keeping interest rate where it is now will not help in job creation. I am afraid that workers will be hungry and without work.

 

[supersunbird]

# A former multimillion-rand tea estate in Magoebaskloof in Limpopo has become an overgrown forest;

I've seen that place, it's damn hectic and sad...

 

[PeterCH]

An extreme example of this type of social engineering is China under Mao. Mao forcibly moved millions of peasants into small time steel manufacturing resulting in both food shortages and poor quality steel leading to deaths of many people.

 

[Magnarmalok]

S.A has a shocking HUGE unemployment rate and what is even more shocking is the fact that poor S.A people are having children and not just 1 or 2 but MANY!

The problem is that this causes more poor because the families can not fully support the these children development out of poverty unless the child is some genius getting scholarships.

What I propose is a law to be passed that no one may have a child under a set amount of income under lets say 10k a month.

People should rather focus on saving up and getting out of poverty and then to be able to provide their children a good go at life because life is not getting any easier.

I know this might be problematic on how to regulate or implement it and also if you look at china's negative results on the killing of girl babies.
(I don't want this to happen)

The difference between my plan and China's is that if you work harder you can get qualified to be able to get a child and this leaves you with a option.

I also would like to advise a "baby license, a book freely available and a test much like a car leaner on life style,health, and so on to be wrote" to much wrong parenting and abuse going in this world it is sick.

A CHILD SHOULD NOT BE A RIGHT BUT A RESPONSIBILITY!
*If your not willing to work hard enough to get 10k a month how can you be entrusted with a human life it is not a pet and your pathetic.

Also a solution to reach a 10k a month mark is to help people reach it.
By providing education and not only from gr1-12 but after*
Free secondary studies in any field* but you must pay back with 1% of your starting salary for life if you choose that option or until your dept to the government has been payed.
This can be included with a housing plan.
(Much like Botswana is doing and it is working!)

This could enable some one who is a "bergie" to have a new start from nothing and raise* a new country because a country's people starts from childhood till after education.

If we don't do this we will leave people stuck that has jobs that pay so little that they can only afford food and save nothing to study even though they are mentally smart in all ways

I really do think a way of life book should be released for modern times.
On what to eat* a eating plan or plans depending on income. How to stay in shape and healthy. How to study and when to do what and the common laws one should know and also family values and so on. This could be given with every ID?

Really a party can't just give a house or do things for a country.
A PARTY IS THE CARE TAKER AND PARENT OF THE PEOPLE RAISING NEW MINDS AND GIVING THEM WHAT THEY NEED TO REACH BETTER CONDITIONS OF LIFE.

So take EE and BEE AWAY! Give people what they need* to compete instead... SO POOR instead of gettings jobs easy* can earn them the right way easy* FIXING ALL YOUR CRAP ANC/NP SCUM.

Thank you.

 

[Pilgrim]

S.A has a shocking HUGE unemployment rate and what is even more shocking is the fact that poor S.A people are having children and not just 1 or 2 but MANY!

The problem is that this causes more poor because the families can not fully support the these children development out of poverty unless the child is some genius getting scholarships.

What I propose is a law to be passed that no one may have a child under a set amount of income under lets say 10k a month.

People should rather focus on saving up and getting out of poverty and then to be able to provide their children a good go at life because life is not getting any easier.

I know this might be problematic on how to regulate or implement it and also if you look at china's negative results on the killing of girl babies.
(I don't want this to happen)

The difference between my plan and China's is that if you work harder you can get qualified to be able to get a child and this leaves you with a option.

I also would like to advise a "baby license, a book freely available and a test much like a car leaner on life style,health, and so on to be wrote" to much wrong parenting and abuse going in this world it is sick.

A CHILD SHOULD NOT BE A RIGHT BUT A RESPONSIBILITY!
*If your not willing to work hard enough to get 10k a month how can you be entrusted with a human life it is not a pet and your pathetic.

Also a solution to reach a 10k a month mark is to help people reach it.
By providing education and not only from gr1-12 but after*
Free secondary studies in any field* but you must pay back with 1% of your starting salary for life if you choose that option or until your dept to the government has been payed.
This can be included with a housing plan.
(Much like Botswana is doing and it is working!)

This could enable some one who is a "bergie" to have a new start from nothing and raise* a new country because a country's people starts from childhood till after education.

If we don't do this we will leave people stuck that has jobs that pay so little that they can only afford food and save nothing to study even though they are mentally smart in all ways

I really do think a way of life book should be released for modern times.
On what to eat* a eating plan or plans depending on income. How to stay in shape and healthy. How to study and when to do what and the common laws one should know and also family values and so on. This could be given with every ID?

Really a party can't just give a house or do things for a country.
A PARTY IS THE CARE TAKER AND PARENT OF THE PEOPLE RAISING NEW MINDS AND GIVING THEM WHAT THEY NEED TO REACH BETTER CONDITIONS OF LIFE.

So take EE and BEE AWAY! Give people what they need* to compete instead... SO POOR instead of gettings jobs easy* can earn them the right way easy* FIXING ALL YOUR CRAP ANC/NP SCUM.

Thank you.

Off the top of my head I can think of 2 reasons this cannot work:

1. How do you prevent people from having children? Especially in a country like SA where everyone has the right to do anything legal they want (constitution)?
2. They get paid child support. Loads of poor ppl look at children as an income, not an expense. Does not make sense, but they reproduce to get grants.

 

[Blaze786]

Off the top of my head I can think of 2 reasons this cannot work:

1. How do you prevent people from having children? Especially in a country like SA where everyone has the right to do anything legal they want (constitution)?
2. They get paid child support. Loads of poor ppl look at children as an income, not an expense. Does not make sense, but they reproduce to get grants.

+1 It is so very sad but true, over and above grant's children make for good begging prop's

 

[Mila]

+1 It is so very sad but true, over and above grant's children make for good begging prop's

LOL!! but true.

I think Zuma will take a more pragmatic approach to AA problems. He will look after the workers as well. He has enough savvy and less bitterness than Mbeki ever had.

YOu believe a corrupt rapist?? no no no!! Then yes i will rather have Mbeki, at leats he has an education.

And if i remember it right my friend mr Manual said with his budget speech last year the lazy people on the land they gave them for free should start contributing to our economy.

5.5 mil people pay tax 18mil peeps are on social grants. Those people should get the boot and the land should be given to farmers (what ever the colour)

http://www.news24.com/Rapport/Wereld/0,,752-2459_2458507,00.html

http://www.news24.com/Rapport/Nuus/0,,752-795_2184539,00.html

I think it is obvious who wants to work and who thought that farming was sitting on the stoep.

 

[Blaze786]

LOL!! but true.





YOu believe a corrupt rapist?? no no no!! Then yes i will rather have Mbeki, at leats he has an education.

And if i remember it right my friend mr Manual said with his budget speech last year the lazy people on the land they gave them for free should start contributing to our economy.

5.5 mil people pay tax 18mil peeps are on social grants. Those people should get the boot and the land should be given to farmers (what ever the colour)

http://www.news24.com/Rapport/Wereld/0,,752-2459_2458507,00.html

http://www.news24.com/Rapport/Nuus/0,,752-795_2184539,00.html

I think it is obvious who wants to work and who thought that farming was sitting on the stoep.

Agreed JZ is no better than Mbeki, they 2 pea's in a pod those 2.

I can't help but feel this tinge of dread in the pit of my stomach everytime I read articles like this. It is a clear indication we are on the exact same path as Zim!

 

[Sly21C]

What troubles me most about SA farms not producing enough food for its population is that eventually it will lead to war.

Think about it, south africans generally are poor, and there are a lot of poor people who are finding it hard to affod food as time goes by. The ANC led government has to feed it's people and to redistribute land to it's original owners. Problem with redistributing land to the original owners is that those owners don't have skills or the means to continue producing food and that's why farms are idle. The way I see it, the ANC will continue to redistribute land to its original owners even though there is proof that this leads to less food being produced in SA, and that will lead to food becoming more and more expensive for the poor and eventually poor people will start demonstrating and I am sure that will lead to tensions and maybe war.

 

[Nod]

People at a workable age, should be subjected to a 3 strike rule, when it comes to social grants. If you had been offered three jobs, and rejected or failed to pitch up at jobs, you lose you grant by a certain percentage every time. This works in Germany, so it could work here as well. The tax paying populace are there to carry free loathers. Only the disabled and elderly should be getting social welfare.

 

[Blaze786]

What troubles me most about SA farms not producing enough food for its population is that eventually it will lead to war.

Think about it, south africans generally are poor, and there are a lot of poor people who are finding it hard to affod food as time goes by. The ANC led government has to feed it's people and to redistribute land to it's original owners. Problem with redistributing land to the original owners is that those owners don't have skills or the means to continue producing food and that's why farms are idle. The way I see it, the ANC will continue to redistribute land to its original owners even though there is proof that this leads to less food being produced in SA, and that will lead to food becoming more and more expensive for the poor and eventually poor people will start demonstrating and I am sure that will lead to tensions and maybe war.

I agree civil war is well within our sights, the problem with this is that the poverty stricken out number the middle/upper class populace 20/1 its rather sad to have to even think along these lines but it is a fact, the lower class populace are not earning more, yet food prices and living expenses keep climbing. It is becoming increasingly difficult to live on even a decent salary. All that combined with the streak of White farmer killings post 1994, this all spells bad news in my books. I also hardly believe if civil war does break out that the UN/USA will do anything to curb the killings. [Just watch hotel Rwanda excellent movie, based on the civil war that took place.]

 

[Sly21C]

Off the top of my head I can think of 2 reasons this cannot work:

1. How do you prevent people from having children? Especially in a country like SA where everyone has the right to do anything legal they want (constitution)?
2. They get paid child support. Loads of poor ppl look at children as an income, not an expense. Does not make sense, but they reproduce to get grants.

+1

I also think SA will never succeed as a country and will never eradicate poverty unless the population of poor people is restricted and even reduced through some kind of one child policy for poor people.

But that will never happen. Reasons being that politicians do not do what is best for the country or the future of the country but do things because they want votes. So the ANC will never implement or even suggest a policy whereby poor people are restricted from having more kids than they can afford to ake care of.

Even if the ANC miraculously announces a one child policy for poor people, the general public especially the poor will accept that because they will see that as taking their rights away, and organizations such as cosato will demonstrate and pressurise the ANC to not make such a policy a reality because people's rights to have kids must not be taken away from them.

Let us say the ANC makes such a policy (making poor people to not have a lot of kids) a reality, implementing it will be imposible to police and enforce. There are a lot of poor people in this country and I really don't think the government will succeed in reducing the future number of poor people to be reduced.

I really hope that the ANC does something to make poor people to have less kids so that 20/30 years from now this country will have less poor people and more educated people and less money being spent on social grants and more money being spent on projects designed to build the country.

 

[Mila]

+100

It's the un educated people that vote what they are told.

 

[Sly21C]

I agree civil war is well within our sights, the problem with this is that the poverty stricken out number the middle/upper class populace 20/1 its rather sad to have to even think along these lines but it is a fact, the lower class populace are not earning more, yet food prices and living expenses keep climbing. It is becoming increasingly difficult to live on even a decent salary. All that combined with the streak of White farmer killings post 1994, this all spells bad news in my books. I also hardly believe if civil war does break out that the UN/USA will do anything to curb the killings. [Just watch hotel Rwanda excellent movie, based on the civil war that took place.]

I firmly believe that the majority will always win or be victors over a minority. For example, during the apartheid years, the minority (white people) ruled this country for decades and eventually the majority (black people) won. This happened in a democratic manner and it didn't involve war to make the majority to take over this country, but in the end the majority won.

I also think that the majority (in this case poor people in this country) will eventually win and the minority (people who are well off) will lose, and this will not happen in a democratic manner. I just have this vision in my head that the poor people in this country will be fed up with being poor and they will take drastic actions and maybe people (mob) in Alexandra will go to Sandton and loot and steal things Sandton residences' homes because poor people will be tired of havig nothing, and I think that the rich people in Sandton will be killed just like foreingers wre killed during the Xenophobic attacks. I really believe that time will ventually come were rich people's homes will be taken over (illeglly and violently) by poor people.

The way SA is now is not sustainable, you can't have a large number of very poor people while you have a very small number of people who are not poor and you can't have that situation going on forever, surely 10/20 years from now poor people will not take it anymore and will voice their frustrations violently.

 

[Blaze786]

I firmly believe that the majority will always win or be victors over a minority. For example, during the apartheid years, the minority (white people) ruled this country for decades and eventually the majority (black people) won. This happened in a democratic manner and it didn't involve war to make the majority to take over this country, but in the end the majority won.

I also think that the majority (in this case poor people in this country) will eventually win and the minority (people who are well off) will lose, and this will not happen in a democratic manner. I just have this vision in my head that the poor people in this country will be fed up with being poor and they will take drastic actions and maybe people (mob) in Alexandra will go to Sandton and loot and steal things Sandton residences' homes because poor people will be tired of havig nothing, and I think that the rich people in Sandton will be killed just like foreingers wre killed during the Xenophobic attacks. I really believe that time will ventually come were rich people's homes will be taken over (illeglly and violently) by poor people.

The way SA is now is not sustainable, you can't have a large number of very poor people while you have a very small number of people who are not poor and you can't have that situation going on forever, surely 10/20 years from now poor people will not take it anymore and will voice their frustrations violently.

Agreed, people will only take so much, before they feel they are owed the same luxuries as the people that worked hard for them. I personally feel that SA is no longer safe, will be gone by end of next year...

 

[Sackboy]

LOL!! but true.





YOu believe a corrupt rapist?? no no no!! Then yes i will rather have Mbeki, at leats he has an education.

And if i remember it right my friend mr Manual said with his budget speech last year the lazy people on the land they gave them for free should start contributing to our economy.

5.5 mil people pay tax 18mil peeps are on social grants. Those people should get the boot and the land should be given to farmers (what ever the colour)

http://www.news24.com/Rapport/Wereld/0,,752-2459_2458507,00.html

http://www.news24.com/Rapport/Nuus/0,,752-795_2184539,00.html

I think it is obvious who wants to work and who thought that farming was sitting on the stoep.

What do you mean. He wasn't found to be a rapist, but let's not let a judgment sway you from having an opinion.

Besides, the choices were limited. A very aloof, possibly corrupt, arrogant Mr. Mbeki or a man for the people. It doesn't matter about his education. He seems to be able to communicate better than Thabo. He's also taken a softer line on BEE/AA, which is doing harm to our economy.

 

[Mila]

What do you mean. He wasn't found to be a rapist, but let's not let a judgment sway you from having an opinion.

Besides, the choices were limited. A very aloof, possibly corrupt, arrogant Mr. Mbeki or a man for the people. It doesn't matter about his education. He seems to be able to communicate better than Thabo. He's also taken a softer line on BEE/AA, which is doing harm to our economy.

And 80% of rapist is found not guilty Oh i forgot Malema said she enjoyed it. It Must be true.

 

[Blaze786]

What do you mean. He wasn't found to be a rapist, but let's not let a judgment sway you from having an opinion.

Besides, the choices were limited. A very aloof, possibly corrupt, arrogant Mr. Mbeki or a man for the people. It doesn't matter about his education. He seems to be able to communicate better than Thabo. He's also taken a softer line on BEE/AA, which is doing harm to our economy.

Brainwashed much?

He is still trying to be elected, give him time... Once he is in power his "a man for the people stance" will change. Sigh at your naivety.