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Final Report Of The Presidential Advisory Panel On Land Reform And Agriculture
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Presidential Advisory Panel on Land Reform and Agriculture Report submitted to the president and the public on 11 June 2019.
I am amazed that the negotiations and developments currently taking place are receiving so little attention ?
This is the timeline of the proceedings for the passage of the enactment of the Bill
Parliamentary Monitoring Group - Land Dialogue workshop 06 November 2019
Adv Charmaine van der Merwe, Senior Legal Advisor in Parliament, began by outlining the programme so that the Committee could meet its mandated deadline of 31 March 2020. After this workshop there would be a meeting next week, discussion by the Committee, on the points raised in this current workshop. Another week will be given where the Committee would be able to approach the drafters of the Bill to ask any questions. The legal drafters would present the Bill to the Committee on the 27 November 2019. Thereafter there will be deliberations by this Committee in various meetings. The aim will be to finalise and adopt a Bill for publication. There will be two calls for comment. The public will have the opportunity to comment on the proposed Bill in December. The reason for having it in December is because other institutions such as the provincial legislatures and the National House of Traditional Leaders need to be involved. To ensure these institutions can set their calendars for January, Parliament would like to give them a formal document by December. After the festive season, there will be a renewed call for public comment on the Bill on 6 January for a period of at least three weeks. In February there will be public hearings where the Committee will consult members of the public on their submissions, focusing on the content of the Bill. At the end of February a presentation to the Committee will take place where the content and legal advisors will address any issues the Committee members may have. It is envisaged that on 20 March the Committee will finalise and adopt the Bill. That Bill will be tabled in the National Assembly for introduction so that the final Bill may be tabled by 31 March. Adv van der Merwe assured the Committee that the programme was still on track.
Parliamentary Monitoring Group - Land Dialogue workshop
So few aware of what is being negotiated by a few chosen "experts"
Here you can read the work of one these -- Experts
Five months and counting: what can SA expect from the presidential land reform report?
Five months and counting: Let’s focus on the unifying threads in the presidential land reform report
Read carefully
You will discover that it fits nicely into the current meme propagated by the leading elites of the ANC and current government -- that everything that is wrong in the country is as a result of -- colonialism / apartheid / white domination of the economy
( in other words not "giving"/ "sharing" )
These are only a few small snippets of what is a larger clearly defined agenda
These are expected, but let us focus on the common and unifying threads in the PAP report which includes bona fide attempts to look at the problem from the angle of “what is good for the hive is good for the bee”. A 2,500-year-old observation made by Athenian leader Pericles is a classic element of democratic philosophy that is sadly missing in the minds of the privileged classes today:
Different interpretations of EWC evoke a wide spectrum of response, from fear to “rooi gevaar” to euphoria, even though for its part the panel’s report took an approach of constructive pragmatism on that issue. (The Institute of Race Relations grabs onto the most tenuous shreds of terminology in ANC and related policy documents as evidence of a Marxist-Leninist second coming.)
Here the Counter Argument
Presidential land reform panel’s report is fundamentally coercive
Yet both the expropriation without compensation demand – and many of the panel’s recommendations – can be traced to at least as far back as 1955, when the Freedom Charter called for the “re-division of the land among those who work it”, and for “the state to help the peasants … to save the soil and assist the tillers”.
Both expropriation without compensation and the panel’s findings are also very much in keeping with ANC resolutions taken at the Morogoro conference in 1969, calling for farmers to be “prevented from holding land in excess of a given area” and urging that much of the country’s land be confiscated and “divided among small farmers and peasants”.
Forget for a moment all reference to second comings in terms of -- "Marxist - Leninist" theocracy and rather think about -- second comings in terms of ZIMBABWE
Speech by Ben Freeth to the Guide on Land Grabs in South Africa, AfriForum Conference, Pretoria, March 18 2015
The Fight Using the Light for Property Rights
I have been given a daunting task today. I was asked to talk to you about how to protect your property in the face of Zimbabwe-style land reform and land grabs. As a victim of Zimbabwe-style land reform - which involves the systematic and violent theft of thousands of homes and farms without a cent of compensation and as such constitutes a crime against humanity- and with this crime still continuing after 15 years, this is a complex task. It carries with it a lot of responsibility.
How to fight Zimbabwe-style land grabs
Read the whole article to understand what EWC REALLY looks like
This is a more detailed report prepared by the IRR
Reaching the Promised Land - A more detailed report ( PDF )
Land projects fail
In what represents one of the biggest land restitution failures in the country, more than 90% of the farms purchased by government for labour tenants in Mooi River have since collapsed.
Out of the 57 farms bought by government as part of the land restitution programme 10 years ago, only three are still operating.
The farms, most of which are in the Middelrus farmstead in Mooi River, were handed over to farm labour tenants by the Rural Development and Land Reform Department, which bought the properties for millions of rands from the previous commercial farmers.
When The Witness visited the farms last week, labour tenants who are beneficiaries of the department’s land restitution project in the area, lined up along the dirt roads, selling items ranging from firewood to wild mushrooms.
Land Projects Fail - KZN 2019-11-26
THE FUTURE ....?????
Zim soldiers close to starving 10 November 2019
Millions face starvation in Zimbabwe 21st November 2019
I am amazed that the negotiations and developments currently taking place are receiving so little attention ?
This is the timeline of the proceedings for the passage of the enactment of the Bill
Parliamentary Monitoring Group - Land Dialogue workshop 06 November 2019
Adv Charmaine van der Merwe, Senior Legal Advisor in Parliament, began by outlining the programme so that the Committee could meet its mandated deadline of 31 March 2020. After this workshop there would be a meeting next week, discussion by the Committee, on the points raised in this current workshop. Another week will be given where the Committee would be able to approach the drafters of the Bill to ask any questions. The legal drafters would present the Bill to the Committee on the 27 November 2019. Thereafter there will be deliberations by this Committee in various meetings. The aim will be to finalise and adopt a Bill for publication. There will be two calls for comment. The public will have the opportunity to comment on the proposed Bill in December. The reason for having it in December is because other institutions such as the provincial legislatures and the National House of Traditional Leaders need to be involved. To ensure these institutions can set their calendars for January, Parliament would like to give them a formal document by December. After the festive season, there will be a renewed call for public comment on the Bill on 6 January for a period of at least three weeks. In February there will be public hearings where the Committee will consult members of the public on their submissions, focusing on the content of the Bill. At the end of February a presentation to the Committee will take place where the content and legal advisors will address any issues the Committee members may have. It is envisaged that on 20 March the Committee will finalise and adopt the Bill. That Bill will be tabled in the National Assembly for introduction so that the final Bill may be tabled by 31 March. Adv van der Merwe assured the Committee that the programme was still on track.
Parliamentary Monitoring Group - Land Dialogue workshop
So few aware of what is being negotiated by a few chosen "experts"
Here you can read the work of one these -- Experts
Five months and counting: what can SA expect from the presidential land reform report?
Five months and counting: Let’s focus on the unifying threads in the presidential land reform report
Read carefully
You will discover that it fits nicely into the current meme propagated by the leading elites of the ANC and current government -- that everything that is wrong in the country is as a result of -- colonialism / apartheid / white domination of the economy
( in other words not "giving"/ "sharing" )
These are only a few small snippets of what is a larger clearly defined agenda
These are expected, but let us focus on the common and unifying threads in the PAP report which includes bona fide attempts to look at the problem from the angle of “what is good for the hive is good for the bee”. A 2,500-year-old observation made by Athenian leader Pericles is a classic element of democratic philosophy that is sadly missing in the minds of the privileged classes today:
Different interpretations of EWC evoke a wide spectrum of response, from fear to “rooi gevaar” to euphoria, even though for its part the panel’s report took an approach of constructive pragmatism on that issue. (The Institute of Race Relations grabs onto the most tenuous shreds of terminology in ANC and related policy documents as evidence of a Marxist-Leninist second coming.)
Here the Counter Argument
Presidential land reform panel’s report is fundamentally coercive
Yet both the expropriation without compensation demand – and many of the panel’s recommendations – can be traced to at least as far back as 1955, when the Freedom Charter called for the “re-division of the land among those who work it”, and for “the state to help the peasants … to save the soil and assist the tillers”.
Both expropriation without compensation and the panel’s findings are also very much in keeping with ANC resolutions taken at the Morogoro conference in 1969, calling for farmers to be “prevented from holding land in excess of a given area” and urging that much of the country’s land be confiscated and “divided among small farmers and peasants”.
Forget for a moment all reference to second comings in terms of -- "Marxist - Leninist" theocracy and rather think about -- second comings in terms of ZIMBABWE
Speech by Ben Freeth to the Guide on Land Grabs in South Africa, AfriForum Conference, Pretoria, March 18 2015
The Fight Using the Light for Property Rights
I have been given a daunting task today. I was asked to talk to you about how to protect your property in the face of Zimbabwe-style land reform and land grabs. As a victim of Zimbabwe-style land reform - which involves the systematic and violent theft of thousands of homes and farms without a cent of compensation and as such constitutes a crime against humanity- and with this crime still continuing after 15 years, this is a complex task. It carries with it a lot of responsibility.
How to fight Zimbabwe-style land grabs
Read the whole article to understand what EWC REALLY looks like
This is a more detailed report prepared by the IRR
Reaching the Promised Land - A more detailed report ( PDF )
Land projects fail
In what represents one of the biggest land restitution failures in the country, more than 90% of the farms purchased by government for labour tenants in Mooi River have since collapsed.
Out of the 57 farms bought by government as part of the land restitution programme 10 years ago, only three are still operating.
The farms, most of which are in the Middelrus farmstead in Mooi River, were handed over to farm labour tenants by the Rural Development and Land Reform Department, which bought the properties for millions of rands from the previous commercial farmers.
When The Witness visited the farms last week, labour tenants who are beneficiaries of the department’s land restitution project in the area, lined up along the dirt roads, selling items ranging from firewood to wild mushrooms.
Land Projects Fail - KZN 2019-11-26
THE FUTURE ....?????
Zim soldiers close to starving 10 November 2019
Millions face starvation in Zimbabwe 21st November 2019
MidnightWizard
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CONSTRUCTION of Zimbabwe’s massive new parliament in Mt Hampden near the capital is ahead of schedule, despite the deepening economic crisis militating against the multi-million dollar project, the Zimbabwe Independent can report.
The imposing six-storey parliament building, perched on Mt Hampden, north of Harare, is being financed through a US$100 million grant from the Chinese government with Shanghai Construction Group doing the construction.
It is the largest project in Southern Africa financed by China Aid — a Chinese government-owned global development aid agency — and the biggest to benefit a single African country.
New parliament building takes shape
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The latest statistics from the World Bank show that close to 4 million Zimbabweans are food insecure. This number will probably rise.
Medical doctors and other critical health personnel have been on strike for over two months, while hundreds have been summarily dismissed for demanding a fair working wage.
This has crippled the health sector, effectively turning the country’s hospitals and clinics into death traps.
It is unreasonable for anyone to deny the horrendous state of affairs currently under way in Zimbabwe.
No one wants to see a repeat of 2008, although in the absence of genuine solutions, all preliminary signs point to that. Mr President, South Africa will assume the chairmanship of the AU in 2020 and we cannot expect to be taken seriously by our African brothers and sisters on the continent, if we have continuously failed to provide leadership in Zimbabwe.
t is my hypothesis that South Africa’s and the region’s economic growth will never reach our desired expectations when Zimbabwe further collapses. When all is said and done, ordinary Zimbabweans will remember not the words of their “enemies” but the silence of their friends.
An open letter to President Ramaphosa about Zimbabwe
I REALLY feel -- well what can I say -- it cannot be put into words
CLEARLY these poor Black Africans never got the MEMO ( or perhaps they did not know how to read it ?
The CHINESE are ALREADY -- YOUR "FRIENDS" ...
Medical doctors and other critical health personnel have been on strike for over two months, while hundreds have been summarily dismissed for demanding a fair working wage.
This has crippled the health sector, effectively turning the country’s hospitals and clinics into death traps.
It is unreasonable for anyone to deny the horrendous state of affairs currently under way in Zimbabwe.
No one wants to see a repeat of 2008, although in the absence of genuine solutions, all preliminary signs point to that. Mr President, South Africa will assume the chairmanship of the AU in 2020 and we cannot expect to be taken seriously by our African brothers and sisters on the continent, if we have continuously failed to provide leadership in Zimbabwe.
t is my hypothesis that South Africa’s and the region’s economic growth will never reach our desired expectations when Zimbabwe further collapses. When all is said and done, ordinary Zimbabweans will remember not the words of their “enemies” but the silence of their friends.
An open letter to President Ramaphosa about Zimbabwe
I REALLY feel -- well what can I say -- it cannot be put into words
CLEARLY these poor Black Africans never got the MEMO ( or perhaps they did not know how to read it ?
The CHINESE are ALREADY -- YOUR "FRIENDS" ...
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This FUD should belong in off topic anyway...
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This FUD should belong in off topic anyway...
MidnightWizard
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"FUD"
Whatever you say -- COMRADE !
It is normally your way of doing things -- shooting the messenger !
Whatever you say -- COMRADE !
It is normally your way of doing things -- shooting the messenger !
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What is really interesting about the whole Zimbabwe thing -- and -- relevant for SA is ...
The Zim POVO are starving
BUT
China is building a US$ 100 MILLION Monstrosity
From Twitter aid_china
This is not a commercial transaction. The parliament building is being funded by the Chinese government though a US$100 million free grant
China AID Zimbabwe New Parliament Building
The United States remains the largest bilateral donor of emergency humanitarian assistance in Zimbabwe. With $113.7 million in Fiscal Year 2019 support from USAID’s Office of Food for Peace (FFP) partner the UN World Food Program (WFP) (link is external) provides in-kind food assistance and cash transfers for food to vulnerable populations during the lean season. WFP also carries out productive asset creation activities to strengthen infrastructure—such as dams and irrigation systems—that increase households’ resilience to shocks and gradually reduce the need for seasonal food assistance.
USAID
The "Communists" provide the "GUNS" -- The "Capitalists" provide the "FOOD"
It is high time that SA organised commercial Agriculture WAKE UP to this fact !
The Zim POVO are starving
BUT
China is building a US$ 100 MILLION Monstrosity
From Twitter aid_china
This is not a commercial transaction. The parliament building is being funded by the Chinese government though a US$100 million free grant
China AID Zimbabwe New Parliament Building
The United States remains the largest bilateral donor of emergency humanitarian assistance in Zimbabwe. With $113.7 million in Fiscal Year 2019 support from USAID’s Office of Food for Peace (FFP) partner the UN World Food Program (WFP) (link is external) provides in-kind food assistance and cash transfers for food to vulnerable populations during the lean season. WFP also carries out productive asset creation activities to strengthen infrastructure—such as dams and irrigation systems—that increase households’ resilience to shocks and gradually reduce the need for seasonal food assistance.
USAID
The "Communists" provide the "GUNS" -- The "Capitalists" provide the "FOOD"
It is high time that SA organised commercial Agriculture WAKE UP to this fact !
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He is half right. What is this thread even about? Our land reform? Zim land reform? China? It's all over the place?
MidnightWizard
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Please use a little -- Intelligence -- to see beyond the immediate and try to grasp the -- BIGGER picture !
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Buddy, I'm going to be serious for a second here. Respect the reader. Posting stuff in CAPS, zanny clours etc just does not go down well. The reader looks at it, does a "WTF?!?!?" and will either troll you before heading off, or just head off. Make it easy for the reader to read and follow you, get your message.
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You like pictures... ?
Perhaps this one is appropriate
Panem et Circenses ... Perhaps ?
Perhaps this one is appropriate
Panem et Circenses ... Perhaps ?
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@MidnightWizard I find it hard to take anything you post seriously as it seems like the posting of a OCD squirrel that just finished 47 cappuccinos that were laced with speed.
Dang it - just the posts so far are giving me a headache
Dang it - just the posts so far are giving me a headache
MidnightWizard
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Please can you count the "CAPS" and "zanny colours" ...
Perhaps my posts are NOT meant for the "Easy-reader" ?
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You like pictures... ?
Perhaps this one is appropriate
Panem et Circenses ... Perhaps ?
Moar!