Focus ST vs 135i

JK8 said:

Nah, I dont think a worked ST will leave a 135 in such dramatic fashion as the OP stated. At last years Hot Hatch Festivals, even the strong STs couldnt make decent 400m times.
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Not for any opinions on STs and BMs - for thinking twin-turbo and biturbo mean different things.
 
i also thought biturbo and twin turbo meant the same thing. But maybe jk8 has a point. The 135i is a twin turbo. The turbos in the car are twins being mitsibushi one with the same specs. Both turbos are the same ...

Those 65 amgs mercs are badged by merc as being biturbo. Are the turbos in these cars different to each other? Maybe there is a smaller turbo for the initial lag and a bigger turbo to get these cars to their 1000nm target?

Or in the end its just marketing lingo. Like vw called their box dsg, bmw calls it dct and porsche pdk ... When in fact its the same tech being double clutch
 
It's ambiguous. Take the old Maserati Biturbo - I doubt anyone had thought of sequential turbo-charging in the early 80s...
 
JK8 said:
Nah, I dont think a worked ST will leave a 135 in such dramatic fashion as the OP stated.
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Ah, I see. When all your feeble arguments fail then you resort to calling me a liar. What facts did you counter with apart from your personal opinion?

Let's see: You said that the BMW driver wasn't racing. Then you said that his traction control must have been on. Then you said that he probably couldn't drive. All of those claims I was able to easily refute by posting links indicating what a modified ST is capable of in terms of speed. So unless you can come up with better arguments than what you think and what you don't think, then consider yourself soundly trounced in this debate.
 
StrongTurd said:
Ah, I see. When all your feeble arguments fail then you resort to calling me a liar. What facts did you counter with apart from your personal opinion?

Let's see: You said that the BMW driver wasn't racing. Then you said that his traction control must have been on. Then you said that he probably couldn't drive. All of those claims I was able to easily refute by posting links indicating what a modified ST is capable of in terms of speed. So unless you can come up with better arguments than what you think and what you don't think, then consider yourself soundly trounced in this debate.
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Err you calling yourself a liar.
Im just questioning your guesstimation of the ST winning a 800m sprint by 100m against one of BMs strongest production cars! Maybe you just exagerated it for some sort of effect, but ive seen some strong STs and ive driven a 135, it wont happen. But then again we dont know how much was spent modifying the Ford, over R50k then maybe you right, I still doubt the 135 driver to be honest.
 
JK8 said:

Err you calling yourself a liar.
Im just questioning your guesstimation of the ST winning a 800m sprint by 100m against one of BMs strongest production cars! Maybe you just exagerated it for some sort of effect, but ive seen some strong STs and ive driven a 135, it wont happen. But then again we dont know how much was spent modifying the Ford, over R50k then maybe you right, I still doubt the 135 driver to be honest.
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Dude, what's your point? So you've seen "strong" STs and you've driven a 135i and because of that I just have to be wrong (i.e. lying) but IF the ST owner spent R50K modifying his car then I might be right (i.e. not lying) but in that case the BMW driver doesn't know how to drive?!

The bottom line is that despite the fact that I've provided proof to back up my statement by supplying a link to at least two modified STs that will convincingly beat a standard 135i, you insist on pushing your baseless, contradictory claims. Again, please would you provide any sort of proof to refute my claims and, failing to do so, please stop calling me a liar.
 
JK8 said:

Err you calling yourself a liar.
Im just questioning your guesstimation of the ST winning a 800m sprint by 100m against one of BMs strongest production cars! Maybe you just exagerated it for some sort of effect, but ive seen some strong STs and ive driven a 135, it wont happen. But then again we dont know how much was spent modifying the Ford, over R50k then maybe you right, I still doubt the 135 driver to be honest.
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i still think it was a 125i ... :)
 
adamr said:
i still think it was a 125i ... :)
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I was driving in my slightly tuned Volvo 850 T5 (exhaust and chip) which is no slouch and that BMW left me for dead so no, it wasn't a 125i because in that case I would have expected to have at least kept up with it.
 
adamr said:
maybe a chipped 125i :)
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A stock Volvo 850 T5 makes 166 kW and 320 Nm of torque - same as a stock ST. It also goes to 100 in around 7.5 seconds and maxes out at 240km/h. Mine is very noticeably quicker than a stock version. I should have no trouble in keeping up with a 125i, chipped or not. This particular car trashed me. It wasn't a 125i.
 
StrongTurd said:
A stock Volvo 850 T5 makes 166 kW and 320 Nm of torque - same as a stock ST. It also goes to 100 in around 7.5 seconds and maxes out at 240km/h. Mine is very noticeably quicker than a stock version. I should have no trouble in keeping up with a 125i, chipped or not. This particular car trashed me. It wasn't a 125i.
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LOL, im joking mate :) ... like i pointed out earlier it is very possible it could have been a 135i ... there are seriously fast modified cars out there ...
 
LOL...JK8 ai yai yai!I thought you were going to post teh Polo's dyno results dude???

Oh, btw...Louis Lima has a 1400 BAKKIE only, the engine is Mazda last time I checked. 2.0 with MOERSE turbo, the car went 8 secs...then he swopped the engine into a Mazda full carbon body bakkie...it also did the same times...

StrongTurd saw the cars dice...he has the most say on this I"m affraid
 
adamr said:
firstly a lot of very uninformed people on this thread ... :)

i had a 135i and a 335i (for those that did not know) ... someone made a comment that it could have been a 125i and not a 135i, and this is very valid. A 125i with an msport kit looks very similar to a 135i and if you don't know the subtle differences you will never know. Those differences include a blacked out dual exhaust pipe, the 135i does not have any fog lights, and the calipers have the BMW lettering on them! ... its subtle esp the fog lights, i did not pick this one up until i owned one ...

The 135i does not have a sport button or launch control with either manual or auto transmissions. With the altitude in GP the car is extremely quick, quicker than an RS4, SLK55, DCT M3 through the gears (eg, rolling second etc) except rolling 1st, quicker than an Z4 Mcoupe. Whats interesting the hiding the 135i gave to an SLK55 up here was the same hiding the 135i got from the SLK55 in Cape Town :) ... both the same cars used in both runs ...

Against now the ST, if anyone want to tell me that a stock ST is quicker is talking an entire load of bull****! ... and i will put R50k down to prove that a stock ST vs stock 135i, the 135i will not just beat put totally annihilate the ST ... any takers ... ? I ran one with my pig weighted 335i convertible and it was not even a contest to start off with ... BUT any car given the money and time can be made to do some serious times ... if that ST is running 234km/h on a km stretch, it is insanely quick. My E46 M3 at the time could manage only a 200, 996 turbo Porsche 230km/h odd ... heck my current RS according to car Mag does 240km/h on a km ... so in the end its just unfair to compare a modded car to stock, simply because its a case of "how long is a piece of string", the possibilities are very high in terms of "how fast" when it comes to modding.

Then someone said the 135i is not a race car when compared to an ST ... you joking right? The next time you standing next to a 135i, have a look at those brake calipers ... its just BMW's way of saying this car is about performance. Many other components on the car are geared towards performance... do a bit of research on the web and you will see this ... many have commented that the car could have gotten the ///M naming ....

give me a track, and give me a straight line and ill show you just how bad a hiding the ST will catch from a 135i ... but its unfair to compare the two cars, one is a single turbo 2.5L motor versus a 3.0 twin turbo (or biturbo)

heck given the time and money someone can mod their UNO turbo to kill my RS :) ... and ive seen some very quick UNO's so i dont doubt that :)

In the end if someone wanted to swap their 135i for an ST, the ST owner would not hesitate for a second, cause he knows its the better car and him denying this, just means he is "jelas!!!" ...
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Good post...not so sure about the bit in bold though, even at altitude I managed to outpace a 135 from standstill to about 1km, it was slightly uphill though...both cars stock, oh, and the 135 driver was extremely pumped up...maybe he skipped a beat

So I know a sample of 1 doesnt proof anything, just as I have been smoked by a GTI...blame it on the GTI taking off before the 'green' light and I missing my 3rd gear :o

With these high perfomance cars, I think driver skill (in which I most definitely lack:o) is the deciding factor (even in a drag race); unless you have launch control
 
^^ i realised i lied ... it was a black Z4 Mcoupe vs a 335i BMW LCI auto ... :) ... 335i was quicker, a bunch of friends cars ... not a hiding but def quicker than the Mcoupe.

and if it was uphill id expect the 135i with its 400nm to be quicker !? ... from experience these autos are actually quicker than their manual counterparts when operated by us mere mortals ...
 
adamr said:
^^ i realised i lied ... it was a black Z4 Mcoupe vs a 335i BMW LCI auto ... :) ... 335i was quicker, a bunch of friends cars ... not a hiding but def quicker than the Mcoupe.

and if it was uphill id expect the 135i with its 400nm to be quicker !? ... from experience these autos are actually quicker than their manual counterparts when operated by us mere mortals ...
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Hmmm...this sounds even more fishy. You realise of course the 135i will be quicker than the 335i LCI auto (I assume this is a sedan then?; as the coupe didnt get the facelift, except for the new M transmission), unless the 135i driver is worse than me at getting thru the gears.

If you had said 335i coupe with 7 speed semi-auto double clutch transmission, then I'd say maybe...of course with the OEM software performance upgrade to 240kw, more than likely the 335i will be faster. And since all Z4M coupe's are manual it wont stand a chance against the launch control of the pimped 335i ;); unless of course Sarel vd Merwe is behind the steer of the Z4 M and your racing at the coast :cool:
 
I guess this would be a bad time for me to mention I smoked a E46 318i sport pack on Saturday night...

He stood next to me, gave three revs and the light went green...he jumped me but I passed him in 2cnd and then 3rd he was at least a car length behind me, then he slowed down...

Anyone refute that?:D
 
Did you guys even look at this??

http://www.fordstownerssa.co.za/forums/viewtopic.php?f=81&t=30033

now thats on stock turbo even those power figures would slaughter a stock 135I and am willing to put money down on it!!

A lot the guys on the ford forum are doing what they call S60r turbo conversion
basically they take the bigger turbo from Volvo S60r and bolt it on.. Power figures well there ridiculous!!
 
ALFAHOLIC said:
I guess this would be a bad time for me to mention I smoked a E46 318i sport pack on Saturday night...

He stood next to me, gave three revs and the light went green...he jumped me but I passed him in 2cnd and then 3rd he was at least a car length behind me, then he slowed down...

Anyone refute that?:D
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Out of all the races and dices you've claimed, theh BMW 318i is the most realistic ... because it's just as slow
 
OK...the bet money was last on 50k...things are getting serious now, I hope you guys will actually put the money down!

So the ford is now basically a FULL BLOWN Valva? no pun intended:confused:
 
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