Forced lockdown or mandated vaccines?

Which would you prefer if these were your only two choices?

  • Forced lockdown for everyone

    Votes: 56 24.5%
  • Forced vaccination for everyone

    Votes: 173 75.5%

  • Total voters
    229

noxibox

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Are you making that all up, or do actually know what you are talking about?

Just wondering?

The reason why I'm asking is you have no way of knowing what article I read. Because it was at least 10-15 years ago, and I cannot remember myself.

So how do you know what mechanism was discovered in that experiment?
I don't need to know the specific article since it was a research study and it is published. I know the mechanism because the researchers explicitly stated that as the plausible explanation.
 

Hush9300

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Not much of a study is it? And from the article :

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Lol. You go and quote the excerpt that agrees with you instead of the thing as whole. As in many different studies with varying results. If it worked there would at least be some kind of consensus and thus I say the premise that masks work is very flimsy.

They’re nothing but lip lapas introduced to instil fear.
 

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Lol. You go and quote the excerpt that agrees with you instead of the thing as whole. As in many different studies with varying results. If it worked there would at least be some kind of consensus am this I say the premise that masks work is very flimsy.

They’re nothing but lip lapas introduced to instil fear.
Yeah don't think you'll take any proof provided as consensus. As you were.
 

Hush9300

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Have you not seen how high these guys rate themselves? Of course they know more than anyone else about, well, everything

Every post starts off by telling us how smart he is - before actually getting to what they want to say.

Why do we even question him...
Says the guy who tries to fool people with sensationalist percentages like the media.

You: I get laid 10 times more often than you

Me: 10 x 0 = 0
 

daveza

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Have you been to London recently? And were you there during lockdown?

If so you wouldn't be asking this question.


We are not British - they and Europe have a culture of hitting the streets in their thousands.

When have you ever seen our leafy suburb lot ever hit the streets in protest ?
 

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Says the guy who tries to fool people with sensationalist percentages like the media

I didn't realise there was anyone that didn't understand how percentages work. Sorry.

Basically they're the universal standard used around the world for stats, comparisons and studies. They're used a express a proportionate part of a total.

But some people don't like using them if they don't reflect what *they* want

Let me know if you're still unsure how they work?
 

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Won't and can't work. Test 40 million people and you'll have 200,000 false positives. Let's say prevalence is 10% and be generous, say the false negative rate is only 5%, then you'll get a mere 200,000 infected people still walking around. If prevalence goes down the ratio gets even worse.

So not something for which I'm willing to allow some hack to wreck the inside of my nose.


There is also the idiotic tag line/header or whatever twitter calls it.

Of course these company vaccine mandates are yet to be tested. Several months ago they might have sailed through, but with some of the expected benefits of the vaccines turning out not to exist challenges may actually succeed.

Then the false negatives or false positives get resolved the next round of testing, I'm thinking bi-weekly since the virus stops shedding around 2 - 3 weeks. It's a far better solution than what we currently are doing, imagine how many infected people would be detected early and restricted from the healthy population. Bi-weekly testing will be a minor inconvenience, but anyone who is healthy can live an unrestricted lifestyle so it has it's benefits. Also I'm not suggesting testing replaces vaccines but is an additional measure. Once the number of positives reach a certain minimum level then the testing could be paused or less frequent.

There were flights that landed in Netherlands from SA where 10% of the passengers tested positive, and were completely unaware they were infected, so this is why testing needs to be more regular and especially at ports of entry.
 
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We are not British - they and Europe have a culture of hitting the streets in their thousands.

When have you ever seen our leafy suburb lot ever hit the streets in protest ?
I wasn't referring to protests, just pointing out that UK case numbers were high as a result of everybody being out and about and socialising in their droves, as opposed to lockdown when there was tumbleweed.

Agree re the leafy suburbs.
 

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We are however in total agreement for vaccination.
Well that is not true at all. I personally know three medical doctors, not GP's, but surgeons and specialists who will not be vaccinated. You don't have to look very far on YouTube to find many, many others around the world who say the same thing. Look up "World Doctors Alliance".
 

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I wasn't referring to protests, just pointing out that UK case numbers were high as a result of everybody being out and about and socialising in their droves, as opposed to lockdown when there was tumbleweed.
Indeed.

The Brits and the Yanks think once lockdown is over, it's back to living like before Covid.

But on the protest issue, there won't be any from the previously advantaged.
 

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I don't need to know the specific article since it was a research study and it is published. I know the mechanism because the researchers explicitly stated that as the plausible explanation.
Um, well that doesn't really convince me, but what ever you say.
 

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I didn't realise there was anyone that didn't understand how percentages work. Sorry.

Basically they're the universal standard used around the world for stats, comparisons and studies. They're used a express a proportionate part of a total.

But some people don't like using them if they don't reflect what *they* want

Let me know if you're still unsure how they work?
Let me breakdown the mathematics and the sensationalism.

100 Covid beds. 10 are used… 90 are free…

Of the 10 used, 9 are unvaccinated and 1 is vaccinated.

Tomorrows headline per Dolby:

90% Covid admission among unvaccinated.

Doesn’t mention there are only 10 in hospital and there are still 90 available beds.
 

Hush9300

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Well that is not true at all. I personally know three medical doctors, not GP's, but surgeons and specialists who will not be vaccinated. You don't have to look very far on YouTube to find many, many others around the world who say the same thing. Look up "World Doctors Alliance".
I would give a doctor in favour of universal vaccination over my personal circumstance the middle finger.

He is not treating the population. He is treating me, at great cost too.
 

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Well that is not true at all. I personally know three medical doctors, not GP's, but surgeons and specialists who will not be vaccinated

3 doctors?

Wow. Definitely a reason to avoid vaccination!
 

Dolby

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Doesn’t mention there are only 10 in hospital and there are still 90 available beds.

So you - a random guy on the Internet - is trying to give capacity figures? And you want us to take your word over - for example - the Baragwanath CEO is worried?

I see... But maybe you best phone him and tell him that THREE doctors won't get vaccinated and from your research, he has nothing to worry about regarding capacity.
 

Hush9300

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So you - a random guy on the Internet - is trying to give capacity figures? And you want us to take your word over - for example - the Baragwanath CEO is worried?

I see... But maybe you best phone him and tell him that THREE doctors won't get vaccinated and from your research, he has nothing to worry about regarding capacity.
No. It was to demonstrate the sensationalism of using a percentage without context.
 

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Well that is not true at all. I personally know three medical doctors, not GP's, but surgeons and specialists who will not be vaccinated. You don't have to look very far on YouTube to find many, many others around the world who say the same thing. Look up "World Doctors Alliance".

Who are these specialists ? just so I know who to avoid
 

Dolby

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So you want to avoid people in your fraternity because they hold a view contrary to narrative…

Probably because they're in the minority and giving advise that is pretty risky, to say the least.
 
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