Foreign guests at Diwali celebration in Pretoria called 'coolies and k*****s'

[Spontaneous spinach]

Anger management issues

I agree with you there.

community service,anger management classes and maybe a settlement.

seems fair.

Maybe he can host Diwali at his house next year.

 

[quovadis]

No. But it is hypocritical to judge others for torturing animals while you also contribute to the torture of animals by eating meat.

Most commercial farming generally has some form of humane process for their slaughter. They’re not blowing up fireworks next to them. Eating meat for most is for nutritional necessity vs Blowing up stuff for 30m of colourful recreation or religious belief when such can be organised outside of residential areas is not hypocrisy.

 

[Rickster]

Whites calling Indians k*****s?

Enough internet for today.

 

[chefdude98]

Maybe he can host Diwali at his house next year.

only if he has to learn a bollywood routine.

 

[konfab]

Maybe not runined but he's a savage that threatens other people with violence. They should throw the book at him for intimidation.

What would you call setting off explosives in a residential area?

 

[Bewlen]

Maybe not runined but he's a savage that threatens other people with violence. They should throw the book at him for intimidation.

Personally, I would like the book ALSO thrown at people who were illegally setting off fireworks. Has anyone been able to establish if the fireworks were in fact legal? As per the following bylaws, Tshwane district?

The following requirements must be adhered to before the application will be considered by the Fire Safety Section for the private discharge of fireworks on the premises:


-The area where the fireworks are to be discharged must be at least 100 m from buildings, roads and railway lines.
-The area where the fireworks are to be discharged must be at least 20 m from telephone lines, telegraph lines, power lines, trees and overhead obstructions.
-An area extending 50 m from the front and to the sides of the point at which the fireworks are to be discharged is to be clear of persons.
-The area to be kept clear for falling residue that is expected to drop from aerial fireworks must extend for at least 100 m to the rear of the discharge point.



The following are the requirements for such applications:

• Applicants need to apply to the City of Tshwane Metropolitan Municipality at:
  Chief of Emergency Services
  PO Box 440
  Pretoria
  0001
  or
  Emergency Services Station 1 (Bosman Street)
  Fire Safety Section
  Cnr Bosman and Minnaar Street
  Pretoria
• A sketch plan (scale 1:500) of the grounds on which the fireworks are to be discharged showing:

a) The position of the following in relation to the area where the fireworks are to be discharged:


– the nearest buildings


– the nearest road


– the nearest railway line


– the nearest telephone lines


– the nearest telegraph lines


– the nearest power lines


– the nearest trees


– the nearest refreshment area


– the position of the area where the fireworks are stored before discharge


b) Direction in which the fireworks are to be discharged with special mention of the prevailing wind direction
c) Spectator area
d) Area to be kept clear for falling residue expected to drop from the fireworks
e) Location of all buildings within 200 m from the discharge site
f) Location of all trees within 200 m from the discharge site
g) Location of all telephone or telegraph lines within 200 m from the discharge site
h) Other overhead obstructions at or adjacent to the discharge site
i) Position of chemical or hazardous substances on the premises
j) Position of all entrances/exits on the premises
k) Position of the firefighting equipment on the premises
l) Position of service stations at or adjacent to the site

• Submit the application form, diagram and letter of approval to the Office of the Chief of Emergency Services.
• Arrange for a fire safety inspection to be carried out on the premises by the Fire Safety Section.
• Be present on the premises during the fire safety inspection.
• Receive the written approval/disapproval for the private discharge of fireworks.

Criteria used for the granting of written approval for the private discharge of fireworks

• Written approval for the private discharge of fireworks will be given if it takes place on sports fields, agricultural holdings and other suitable open areas.

 

[SaiyanZ]

Personally, I would like the book ALSO thrown at people who were illegally setting off fireworks. Has anyone been able to establish if the fireworks were in fact legal? As per the following bylaws, Tshwane district?

The following requirements must be adhered to before the application will be considered by the Fire Safety Section for the private discharge of fireworks on the premises:


-The area where the fireworks are to be discharged must be at least 100 m from buildings, roads and railway lines.
-The area where the fireworks are to be discharged must be at least 20 m from telephone lines, telegraph lines, power lines, trees and overhead obstructions.
-An area extending 50 m from the front and to the sides of the point at which the fireworks are to be discharged is to be clear of persons.
-The area to be kept clear for falling residue that is expected to drop from aerial fireworks must extend for at least 100 m to the rear of the discharge point.



The following are the requirements for such applications:

• Applicants need to apply to the City of Tshwane Metropolitan Municipality at:
  Chief of Emergency Services
  PO Box 440
  Pretoria
  0001
  or
  Emergency Services Station 1 (Bosman Street)
  Fire Safety Section
  Cnr Bosman and Minnaar Street
  Pretoria
• A sketch plan (scale 1:500) of the grounds on which the fireworks are to be discharged showing:

a) The position of the following in relation to the area where the fireworks are to be discharged:


– the nearest buildings


– the nearest road


– the nearest railway line


– the nearest telephone lines


– the nearest telegraph lines


– the nearest power lines


– the nearest trees


– the nearest refreshment area


– the position of the area where the fireworks are stored before discharge


b) Direction in which the fireworks are to be discharged with special mention of the prevailing wind direction
c) Spectator area
d) Area to be kept clear for falling residue expected to drop from the fireworks
e) Location of all buildings within 200 m from the discharge site
f) Location of all trees within 200 m from the discharge site
g) Location of all telephone or telegraph lines within 200 m from the discharge site
h) Other overhead obstructions at or adjacent to the discharge site
i) Position of chemical or hazardous substances on the premises
j) Position of all entrances/exits on the premises
k) Position of the firefighting equipment on the premises
l) Position of service stations at or adjacent to the site

• Submit the application form, diagram and letter of approval to the Office of the Chief of Emergency Services.
• Arrange for a fire safety inspection to be carried out on the premises by the Fire Safety Section.
• Be present on the premises during the fire safety inspection.
• Receive the written approval/disapproval for the private discharge of fireworks.

Criteria used for the granting of written approval for the private discharge of fireworks

• Written approval for the private discharge of fireworks will be given if it takes place on sports fields, agricultural holdings and other suitable open areas.

That application and rules are for people who plan on doing one those big fireworks displays but I might be mistaken.


Edit: Here's another article:

Take precautions for your pets for Diwali fireworks | Midrand Reporter

JOHANNESBURG – Pets owners are reminded to look out for their animals.

midrandreporter.co.za

Diwali will be taking place on 27 October and residents are reminded to take note of the City of Johannesburg fireworks by-laws.

The day is a special Hindu celebration, also known as the Festival of Lights, and signifies the triumph of light over darkness and good over evil.

According to the City of Johannesburg by-laws, fireworks may not be used except for certain occasions. Fireworks may be used on Diwali between 7pm and 10pm.

Pets owners are reminded to look out for their animals. Ward 132 councillor Annette Deppe said, “You cannot stop people from celebrating Diwali and lighting fireworks on their property if they abide by the municipal by-laws and stick to the stipulated times.”

Deppe added, “I have a dog, and I have taken the necessary steps.”

Pet owners are advised to visit their local veterinarian to prepare their animals for the fireworks.

 

[Knyro]

Most commercial farming generally has some form of humane process for their slaughter. They’re not blowing up fireworks next to them. Eating meat for most is for nutritional necessity vs Blowing up stuff for 30m of colourful recreation or religious belief when such can be organised outside of residential areas is not hypocrisy.

Yes it is. Have you seen how most commercially farmed animals live? The slaughter is only one part of a miserable existence. Far worse than getting the bejezus scared out of you once or twice a year IMO.

 

[Knyro]

What would you call setting off explosives in a residential area?

You want to be obtuse? By that silly logic you're also setting off explosives in a residential area when you start your car.

 

[Bewlen]

That application and rules are for people who plan on doing one those big fireworks displays but I might be mistaken.


Edit: Here's another article:

Take precautions for your pets for Diwali fireworks | Midrand Reporter

JOHANNESBURG – Pets owners are reminded to look out for their animals.

midrandreporter.co.za

You are quoting Johannesburg, this was in Pretoria.

And nope, this appplies to ALL fireworks.

 

[SaiyanZ]

You are quoting Johannesburg, this was in Pretoria.

And nope, this appplies to ALL fireworks.

Do you have a link to your source?

Strange that Pretoria would have different rules compared to JHB.

Edit: JHB rules only refer to applications and Chief Fire Officer approval when doing fireworks display like I thought. But yeah, it seems like it's outright banned in Tshwane because nobody is going to bother with all the red tape. So Indians, just drive to outskirts of Tshwane and burn your fireworks there.

http://lonehill.info/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/CITY-OF-JOHANNESBURG-BYLAWS-REGARDING-FIREWORKS.pdf

Use of fireworks prohibited in certain circumstances

30. (1) Unless so authorised in terms of section 33, no person may use fireworks –
(a) within 500 metres of any explosives factory, explosives storage place, petrol depot or petrol station;
(b) inside any building;
(c) on any agricultural holding;
(d) at any public place; or
(e) at any school, old age home or hospital.

(2) No person may light or ignite fireworks in any place where animals are present.

(3) Unless so authorised in terms of section 33, no person may light or ignite fireworks on any day or at any time except -
(a) New Years Eve from 23h00 to 01h00;
(b) New Years Day from 19h00 to 22h00;
(c) Hindu New Year from 19h00 to 22h00;
(d) Lag b’omer from 19h00 to 22h00;
(e) Chinese New Year from 19h00 to 22h00;
(f) Human Rights Day from 19h00 to 22h00;
(g) Freedom Day from 19h00 to 22h00;
(h) Guy Fawkes Day from 19h00 to 22h00;
(i) Divali from 19h00 to 22h00;
(j) Christmas Eve from 19h00 to 22h00; and
(k) Day of Goodwill from 19h00 to 22h00.

(4) No person may allow any minor under his or her control to use, light or ignite fireworks in contravention of subsection (1), (2) or (3).

Fireworks displays prohibited unless authorised

31. No person may present a fireworks display unless -
(a) authorised to do so by the Council as contemplated in section 33;
(b) authorised to do so by the Civil Aviation Authority and the Chief Inspector of Explosives;
(c) the display is at all times under that person’s supervision and control;
(d) the Service and a suitably qualified explosives expert from the South African Police Services are at all times in attendance at the display;
(e) that person has ensured that -
(i) an area with a radius of at least 50 metres is clearly demarcated for the launching of fireworks at the display; and
(ii) measures are in place to prevent any person who is not involved in the presentation of the display from entering this launching area; and
(f) a pyrotechnist is at all times present and responsible for the use of fireworks at the display.

Application to present fireworks display

32. (1) Any person who wishes to present a fireworks display must apply to the Chief Fire Officer for authorisation by completing and submitting an application in the form and manner determined by the Council together with the prescribed fee and the following documentation:
(a) Proof of permission for the fireworks display from the Civil Aviation Authority;
(b) proof that an application for the fireworks display has been submitted to the Chief Inspector of Explosives;
(c) a letter of consent from the owner or person responsible for the property on which the fireworks display is proposed to be presented; and
(d) a sketch plan of the proposed venue for the fireworks display, including the demarcated area for the launching of the fireworks.

(2) The application, prescribed fee and accompanying documentation must be submitted to the Chief Fire Officer at least 14 days before the date of the proposed fireworks display.

Authority to present fireworks display

33. (1) If the Council decides to approve an application to present a fireworks display, it must provide the applicant with written confirmation of its decision and any conditions that it may impose to safeguard persons and property.
(2) The Council may require that the fireworks display be presented only on suitable premises designated by the Council and under the supervision and control of an official designated by the Council.
/QUOTE]

 

[Hamish McPanji]

Yes it is. Have you seen how most commercially farmed animals live? The slaughter is only one part of a miserable existence. Far worse than getting the bejezus scared out of you once or twice a year IMO.

Suffering for a good cause. It's for the greater good. Them animals must realise that

 

[Fulcrum29]

You are quoting Johannesburg, this was in Pretoria.

And nope, this appplies to ALL fireworks.

I see the by-law is promulgated under the By-Law: Fire Brigade Service

http://www.tshwane.gov.za/sites/bus...Laws Documents/FBS Bylaws LAN 396 of 2016.pdf (PDF)

Selected quotes in regard to Fireworks:

DEFINITIONS

"discharge" means the ignition or activation of any fireworks whatsoever;

"fireworks" means any pyrotechnic substance contemplated in paragraph (b) of the definition of “explosives” which – (a) is manufactured for the purposes of amusement or entertainment; and (b) is divided into such classes as may be described in the Explosives Act, 1956 (See Also Act 15 of 2003);

MAKING FIRES

No person shall in any street or thoroughfare or in a park or open space or in the proximity of any building, whether private or public property, discharge any fireworks or make or cause or suffer any bonfire to be made or burn or cause or suffer any rubbish, shavings or other material of whatsoever description to be burned in such a manner or under such conditions as may endanger life or property or cause a nuisance.

CONTROL OF FIREWORKS

USE OF FIREWORKS PROHIBITED IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES

Any person who wishes to present a fireworks display must apply to the Chief Inspector of Explosives for authorisation. The Chief Fire Officer will provide written comments to the Chief inspector of Explosives.

The application, prescribed fee and accompanying documentation must be submitted to the Chief Fire Officer at least 14 days before the date of the proposed fireworks display.

No person may present a firework display unless-
(a) Authorised to do so by the Chief Inspector of Explosives and
(b) Has a written authorisation from the Chief Fire Officer

Any person who contravenes the provisions of this section is guilty of an offence.

AUTHORITY TO PRESENT FIREWORKS DISPLAY

The Chief Fire Officer may order the cancellation of any fireworks display-
(a) should and applicant fail to comply with any of the conditions of approval; and
(b) should local conditions dictate that the holding of such display pose a serious risk of fire and safety of the community.

GROUP I HAZARDOUS SUBSTANCES

All Group I hazardous substances (explosives) must be handled, used, stored and transported in accordance with the provisions of SANS 10228, 10229, 10231, 10232 and 10263, the Explosives Act, 1956 / 2003, as the case may be.

(a) No person may use or explode any explosives within the area unless the Chief Fire Officer has been notified of this in writing at least seven days prior to its commencement.
(b) The Chief Fire Officer may impose any fire protection measures he/she deems necessary according to circumstances in question.

No person may discharge any fireworks or permit the discharge of any fireworks within the area without the permission of the Chief Inspector of Explosives and the Chief Fire Officer.

Any person who by any act or omission commits a breach of any provision of this section is guilty of an offence, and the explosives or fireworks, if any, may be confiscated, in which case the cost of disposal thereof will be borne by the accused person.

To quote the article:

Ramlall said some of the “white people and their children” were terrified and left. The man allegedly also tried to push Ramlall’s wife Rekha and assault her brother, well-known lawyer Ajay Sooklal.

I guess the legal side to the permission was all above board seeing that Sooklal attended. Also, isn't this a religious event in which there is a privilege?

Racism, though, über alles.

 

[Fulcrum29]

You want to be obtuse? By that silly logic you're also setting off explosives in a residential area when you start your car.

"fireworks" means any pyrotechnic substance contemplated in paragraph (b) of the definition of “explosives” which – (a) is manufactured for the purposes of amusement or entertainment; and (b) is divided into such classes as may be described in the Explosives Act, 1956 (See Also Act 15 of 2003);

 

[quovadis]

Yes it is. Have you seen how most commercially farmed animals live? The slaughter is only one part of a miserable existence. Far worse than getting the bejezus scared out of you once or twice a year IMO.

I only source free range, sustainable and humanely slaughtered farm animals. So I object to both your support of fireworks and the miserable existence of farm animals. But who will care about all the starving humans?

 

[Knyro]

/facepalm

I didn't say there weren't explosives but it's obvious he was setting up a strawman argument with that post.

 

[Pavan]

It’s never ok to incite violence and speak that way around kids. What a chop.

 

[Fulcrum29]

/facepalm

I didn't say there weren't explosives but it's obvious he was setting up a strawman argument with that post.

Pulling your leg, Knyro

 

[surface]

LOL didn't read that far
Anyway, you people up north then... we in the Cape Town are quite chilled compared.

yeah. I was once in knysna - very chill you guys are..

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

How amazing that you never hear the dreaded slurs in any of these videos...

Only afterwards these claims are made and racism is inferred.

Body Corporate was probably to scared to say no to these celebrations, since they would also immediately be branded as racists.

But then everybody else and their pets must suffer...

Interesting comment from one of the Indian women: "We knew this was going to happen." Just let that sink in for a while....